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I'd say the team felt Orlando Cabrera's impact and believed it when he was leading off last year, seeing as how they, you know, won the division.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Jun 1, 2009 -> 01:50 AM) He doesn't get the Bonds treatment because no one else is gonna make him pay for doing so & even if they pitch to him, it's likely that he'll be the only one contributing something to the team. Frankly, if I'm San Diego this is the guy I try to move. I would think he would bring you more back than Peavy would at this point. They aren't interested in rebuilding, they are interested in shedding salary. Peavy averages like $17+ mill per season over the next 3 plus the $22 mill option or a $4 mill buyout; that's about twice per season than what Adrian Gonzalez is going to make in the next 3 years combined.

QUOTE (BearSox @ May 31, 2009 -> 08:55 PM) I just can't wait until Charlotte gets a new stadium (they're getting a new stadium, right?). I just don't want to see the hitters getting into bad habits in the band box they play half their games in. They do play in a bandbox in the majors though too...

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ May 30, 2009 -> 01:02 PM) Why would the Astros take less for Oswalt than the Padres would for Peavy? My understanding is they're not as financially screwed as the Padres, and hence, wouldn't be as desperate to dump Oswalt's contract. In fact, I don't really see why Houston trades Oswalt at all. I mean, when people were discussing fire sales two weeks ago, I doubt anyone here thought we should trade Buehrle. It's the same situation for Houston. The Astros are in a bit worse shape than the White Sox, all around. Of course, their GM is Ed Wade, so I imagine he thinks their farm system is pretty much exactly where it should be. QUOTE (hawkubes @ May 30, 2009 -> 01:15 PM) Probably because Peavy's a better pitcher than Oswalt is Oswalt's contract is not nearly as ugly. And he pitches in a park that is much more friendly to hitters than Peavy does. QUOTE (whitesox901 @ May 30, 2009 -> 02:09 PM) the thing about Richard is though, he's only had 3 good starts. How do we know that he his next 5 starts he goes 40 IP 27 ER, ect If Richard put up an ERA of 6.08 and averaged 8 innings a start over 5 starts, Ozzie would be shot on the spot. Just gonna throw that out there.

Haven't seen Greinke pitch, but usually when pitchers are going as well as he is, they are throwing anywhere between 66% and 75% first pitch strikes. And with his control thus far, I'd say he's doing that. Simply logic says swing early to hit those pitches. Of course, if you don't hit those pitches, he's going 9 innings again, which is a catch-22 in the fullest regard. I still say you swing early. BTW, Alexei in the 2-hole... .382/.447/.471/.918. Keep him there. I TOLD YOU SO.

well then, if they resign him, it means the Sox have a good backup catcher next year; if they don't, it opens a 40-man spot at the end of the year. As far as I'm concerned, that's win-win.

QUOTE (Allsox @ May 30, 2009 -> 10:27 PM) A 100 MPH pitch from Bobby that goes for a ball isn't as effective as him throwing a 94 MPH pitch for Strike 1. C'mon, peeps, for the last 4 yrs, all Bobby wants is to throw Strike 1 and he's been far more effective with 94+ than he is at 100. He can still throw 100, he just throws more strikes when he pitches it at a lower speed. of course, a 100 MPH fastball at the chest for what would be ball two will be a swinging strike three for like 80% of the hitters in the game

Good, Broadway blows. I'm glad to see they got something of value for him. It actually doesn't surprise me in the least that he was traded to the Mets, I've long felt that he is atleast somewhat comparable to John Maine.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 28, 2009 -> 11:01 AM) Also, MLBTR isn't usually a source in itself, its a condenser of other people's stuff. What's been said has been quoted, but... would just like to point out that rotoworld is the exact same type of website. They just offer fantasy news and implications on all trades, so they have to be perhaps a somewhat bit more accurate. Figured it was worth mentioning.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ May 29, 2009 -> 05:10 AM) .....and who's his best friend? all I see is a plastered Jake Peavy ... If the Sox were willing to take on Peavy, they are more than willing to take Oswalt. Again, it would be all up to Oswalt.

I'm not pissed we passed on either.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 27, 2009 -> 11:41 PM) Tell me about it. This is a f***ing joke. The pressure on this kid will be immense once he's called up. Anyone expecting Beckham to save the season is fooling themselves. If he gets called up, I would expect a .750 OPS, solid defense, and the occasional flash of what he may be capable of, and nothing more.

Happy birthday Frank Thomas. 41. Jeff Bagwell gets no birthday wishes from me.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ May 27, 2009 -> 12:54 PM) not this again, if it hits the media it wont happen. KW works behind the scenes, in the shadows of the night. The Peavy trade happened and Jake turned it down. KW does not work behind the scenes, he works wherever the f*** he wants to, so long as it makes the White Sox better.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 24, 2009 -> 04:32 PM) He also hit a batter. That's 8 hits, 2 BB, 1 HBP in 5.2 innings. He had an error that he couldn't pitch over in the 6th before he was pulled. If people are hitting things he's throwing they don't always need to take the BB. It can be pitching behind people that gets you in trouble even if you're not walking them. it also depends on what he was working on. If he is working solely on locating his pitches and just merely trying to pound the strikezone, regardless of what the opponent does with it, then it's not a horrendous outing. I'd say it's pretty much a treading the water type of start, nothing good nor really bad comes out of it.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ May 24, 2009 -> 11:18 AM) So, say if he does get outright released, should the White Sox sign him and send him to Charlotte? yes, but he would sign a major league contract elsewhere

QUOTE (WCSox @ May 24, 2009 -> 12:36 PM) This is pure conjecture on your part. Peavy reportedly refused trades to the Red Sox and Angels last season. Peavy also reportedly wanted this unprecedented yearly opt-out clause added to his reworked deal with the Sox. And his agent is on record saying that Peavy "strongly prefers" to play for an NL team. It sounds to me like he has no interest in pitching in the AL. He also rejected a trade to Atlanta. So much for AL/NL

I do love these preconceived notions people have that they are portraying as facts. QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ May 23, 2009 -> 02:57 PM) Don't care. I don't want anyone on this team that doesn't wanna be here. Or someone who's scared to man up when they have to. Man up? So he should just accept any trade he is in, completely negating the value of his NTC? I also think it's fair to assume there have been players in the past who would have rather been in other places than Chicago when they were actually here, and they produced very well, while there have been others who did want to be here and they struggled. I want good players, period. QUOTE (Reddy @ May 23, 2009 -> 03:35 PM) can we just stop talking about Peavy? them "leaving the door open" was just both not burning bridges. The door is not ACTUALLY open. It's called tact. They are leaving the door open, no matter how "open" it is. If Peavy said he'd accept a trade, his $22 million option be damned, I guarantee you KW wouldn't say "Oh, well I was just saying the door was open, it's not actually open." QUOTE (WCSox @ May 23, 2009 -> 03:45 PM) Since Peavy obviously doesn't want to play in the AL and his NTC means that he's holding all of the cards in the negotiations, that would be a no. I can almost guarantee the reason he did not accept a trade to Chicago is because of money, and it has nothing to do with AL/NL. And it should be. The guy is in a fantastic situation for him, personally - great city, very valuable contract, great ballpark - and it should take a huge commitment from another team to get him to waive his NTC. If you can't give him $18 million extra, he's just politely going to say "No, I'll stay in San Diego, but I appreciate your interest in me." ... I'm not going to cling to hope and lose sleep and have my mind wander over the possibilities of Peavy in a Sox uniform like I was two days ago, but to suggest that every door is shut and that Peavy would never, ever, ever, accept a trade to the Sox is ludicrous.

QUOTE (smalls2598 @ May 22, 2009 -> 01:50 PM) Seeing an animal--and especially a dog--in pain just breaks my heart. Does he have to wear some sort of cast? Not so much. Throughout the process, he is rehabbing a bit too, and when he gets his stitches removed, the rehab increases a bit. So during this process right after surgery, they basically just want to build a little bit of strength back up. I don't understand everything though.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 23, 2009 -> 09:45 AM) Just based off of his actions this offseason, when he wasn't interested in going to Boston or Yankees but was begging to get traded to the Cubs or the Braves. I think he'd prefer the NL to the AL. He has also said he would prefer a midwest team above all. I still think it comes down to money, and he'd pitch in the AL.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 23, 2009 -> 01:00 AM) Of course. Why would he jeopardize that? It's always about the money. Also, you ever been to San Diego? It's probably the nicest place to live in the country. If he has a no trade clause to certain teams, you have to sweeten the deal if you hope to get him. the final year of his contract is an option for $22 mill that he wants to get guaranteed before he accepts a trade. Otherwise, he really doesn't have a reason to leave one of the nicest cities and best pitching park in the Majors.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ May 22, 2009 -> 11:47 PM) and possibly because of the opt-out clause possibly, but I think if he is going to get that much guaranteed, he and the agent will take some of the restrictions out of that

Will someone please point out the quote that says "I, Jake Peavy, rejected the trade to the Chicago White Sox because they play in the AL and I will not play in the AL because I have a small pair of testicles" or something of the ilk? He turned the trade down mainly because the final year of his deal wasn't guaranteed, it's as simple as that.

I'm not a Wise backer by any margin - I think he belongs in the Atlantic League - but he's a far better player than Scott Podsednik, which speaks of where the bench of this organization really is in regards to the rest of the league.