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White Sox will be buyers at the deadline
caulfield12 replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:36 AM) anthony fenech @anthonyfenech 41m41 minutes ago White Sox will be buyers at the trade deadline, I'm told. Hello, KW. This isn't Hahn planting something with the media. -
QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 08:27 AM) Well I agree with you here. Pity, really. He's easily a top 100 prospect and just the kind the Sox will undervalue. Infield is showing promise, but still no sense that either Saladino or Sanchez are major league starter quality in the long term. I could see another trade Chris Young keep Anderson situation You're overvaluing him by a bit. The only way he's top 100 is if he has a Billy Hamilton-esque ability to steal 75+ bags. All signs as he has advanced to the AA/AAA level is that he's probably closer to a 30-45 type. The other problem is Hamilton was going to get a lot of his value defensively, but Micah's giving up a lot of WAR points so it has to be made up offensively, just like with Avi.
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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:18 AM) You make a good point but you generally don't want to buy low and sell high in the same move, which is what we would be doing by trading Quintana for Puig. It would probably be contingent on getting one more player like a Guerrero or Barnes. If you can kill two birds with one stone, then it's starting to make a lot more sense from a short and long-term standpoint.
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QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:12 AM) I'm not against picking up Puig. The guy is uber talented and maybe a change of scenery is what he needs. What I am against is trading a 5 fWAR pitcher with 5 years of team control left at cheap salary to do so. Then you won't get him. Guys like Anderson, Montas, Danish and Hawkins aren't of any help to the Dodgers right now. You could spend your entire off-season FA budget ($80-120 million) on Wieters, Heyward, Gordon or Cespedes, and the odds are better than 50/50 that Puig would end up the better player at a fraction of that price. That's the gamble, that you instead use that money on the starting rotation, and take your chances with Sale/Iwakuma or Latos/Rodon/Erik Johnson or Montas and Fulmer. The question essentially becomes are you better off with Puig + Iwakuma/Latos (just throwing two names out there who will be closer to $50 than $100 million, Edinson Volquez would be another example, Francisco Liriano, etc.) or Sale/Quintana/FA pitcher/Rodon/EJ or Montas or Fulmer and basically the same line-up offensively, with Avi and LaRoche both getting lots of at-bats? I think right now they can much more easily justify adding a younger, cost-controlled potential superstar position player and another veteran (Iwakuma/Latos/Gallardo, etc.) than they can justify $90-110 million on a pitcher in his early 30's like Samardzija.
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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:06 AM) I was for trading Q for Puig initially, but the more I think about the more I don't like it. Puig has red flags, and his performance this year is a big one. On the other hand, if you're always in the business of buying high (Dunn, Cabrera, LaRoche, Keppinger, Robertson) and not on dips, then you'll be completely screwed if you also have a bottom tier farm system. Look at guys like Contreras, Pods, Hermanson, Dye and AJ before 2005. You can add Jenks to that "questionable character" list as well, with AJ. All of them were risks and had major red flags of one sort or another. Same with Carl Everett, for that matter, and El Duque (pretty big contract for someone who was going to struggle to be the 5th starter). Sometimes, you have to roll the dice when you look at the track record of Puig over a three-year period and his age and then try to analyze what's actually going on....how much of it is physical, mental, comfort level, pressing?
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And pretty much every overpaid veteran bat is a bad idea, too. The only solution is what the Angels did, those incremental changes with a David Murphy type who's already familiar with the AL or David DeJesus, etc. You have to be pretty certain you're getting an upgrade over Avi or Saladino. Saladino's held his own so far, so you also have to decide if you want to displace him or if you're confident he can continue to play at this level. It's very doubtful the White Sox are in a position to add another contract commitment beyond 2015 at mid-season unless it's for someone like Puig. Look at the 2012 trades/acquisitions, Hudson/Youk/Liriano/Myers were all FA's at the end of that season. If there was any hope for re-signing Samardzija (which I'm not advocating), bringing in the likes of a CarGo or Ethier or Reyes (guaranteed contracts for $15+ million per year through 2016 or 2017) will completely preclude that from happening.
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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:47 PM) I would do that deal in a heartbeat, but I very much doubt the Dodgers do. Plus it is pretty rare when two teams are trading their top prospects in a deal between each other (yes each team is also giving up major league pieces). If we were really lucky, we'd be able to deal Q and a reliever (maybe just Q but I doubt it) for Puig + (and by + I mean a Guerrero or a Barnes). Forget Seager and Urias. If we want anyone back, like Puig + Guerrero (and salary relief) and/or Barnes, we're going to have to give something else up besides Quintana (but not to the level of Montas/Anderson, who of course would be the players they're most interested in).
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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 05:48 AM) Well that's the easiest question ever. He's a lefty, big time of upgrade of a bat at a position that needs one who is already familiar with a good portion of our pitching staff at the cost of nothing. Oh yeah and he'll grab the same amount of much needed local headlines as getting a cargo or Upton at 1/50th of the price. We're still on the verge of being in it, not definitely in it. We're not gonna empty the farm this year for a top bat. Need to start looking at guys who won't cost us anything or well stand pat. AJ applies there. If they do make that move, it means they almost 100% would have to move on from Tyler Flowers for next season. While we would all probably love to see it happen, still not sure the front office believes that's the right thing to do...it still seems they need to have at least one catcher who can go out there at least 60% of the time, or basically 90-105 games. They pretty much symbolically moved on from the Buehrle/Konerko/AJ stage at the end of last season.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/reac...st-trade-2.html Reactions to the Zobrist deal. I just read the AP story tonight said Gordon is expected back in late September. I thought Moore said late August/early September. If Gordon comes back late September, that will be dicey. You have to give him his job back but if he hits .120 in the postseason and KC doesn't reach the Series, Moore and Ned will be blasted for playing Gordon. Allegedly it took Rios a month to get his timing back. Alex Gordon has been there the longest of all their veteran guys, along with Hochevar. It's a respect issue, and also because they owe him the opportunity to prove he's healthy with free agency approaching. If they didn't play him and kept him on the bench, Moore would get blasted 10X more than he would for pushing Infante aside with Zobrist. The reality of the situation is that they'll probably send him to Arizona to work for a week or so to get his timing back, if they can't figure out a way to fit him into the end of the minor league season or possibly the playoffs (not sure which KC teams are eligible, if any). It's kind of a dicey issue to send a major league veteran to play on a AA or A+ team in the post-season, but they'll do what's best for the team and Gordon in terms of preparing him to come back as close to 100% as possible. Actually, Gordon would be given priority over Alex Rios as well...so there's just no way he will be on the bench unless he's just not ready physically, which would be very surprising for that type of injury to take longer than 2 months. Usually it's closer to six weeks.
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Alas, Google.com is blocked in China.
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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 12:16 AM) wOBA of .297 with an .OPS under .700. Defensive WAR is carrying him despite his 15 homers. And yet even with those relatively tepid stats he's so important to the Royals they wouldn't trade him for Anderson, Montas and Hawkins. Only if Fulmer was included would it even be a discussion in their front office. He has that five year contract for $7 million, even more of a bargain to them than Sale and Quintana to the Sox.
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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) Adam Dunn made the All Star team for the White Sox. Was he the token rep? I think not. Not even an injury replacement. He was a stud. And where did you predict that was going to happen? Surely, it was right during the heart of the 2011 season? Right around the time you were predicting how great Ubaldo Jimenez was going to be last year for the Orioles.
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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 12:47 AM) How about Baseball Prospectus: https://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensa...ngeles-dodgers/ Or MLB Trade Rumors http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/dodg...-listening.html You just made those up. You paid off the writers from all those sites with bribes to prevent a Puig deal from going through! Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely...or so they say. This is a new form of argument never seen before, I'll give him that much. Now I know what it's like to be in a debate with Donald Trump at least.
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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:26 PM) Thanks! Having to go to MLB.com wild card standings has already gotten annoying. http://www.espn.com/mlb/standings Problem solved.
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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:33 AM) I would classify the Moms Demand Action as idiots. You can oppose guns or favor gun control without lying thru the backing of a billionaire hell bent on getting rid of guns while maintaining his own personal police force, armed with guns. And snark aside, if there were any number of those, MDA would be screaming about it with all the might the Bloomberg dollars could muster. You know it. How is that any different from when the Koch Brothers or Rupert Murdoch pretty overtly funds similar organizations with right-wing agendas that have innocuous sounding names such as Moms Demand Lower Taxes....or pretty much anything associated with the Tea Party these days, if it still exists. You have your MDA (not Muscular Dystrophy Association, that's not the best choice for them), we have our Joe The Plumbers that are beyond idiocy because they don't even realize they're being used.
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QUOTE (Ballz-n-Strikes @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 12:17 AM) Whatever.... The LaTimes doesn't get to decide to change a CONTRACT. It's black and white in the link. Look at it. Puig got locked by the Dodgers because they were smart. He's a valuable chip now - $9/yr until his contract is over... Whether he's worth MORE THAN THAT...we can talk about all day....And that could also include our garbage that LA would be interested in to steal that awesome situation FROM them. But don't tell me some nonsnse about "I heard if he did something his contract becomes THIS"..... His contract is registered with the leauge and I linked it. GTFO with that other nonsense. It's the standard contract for almost all of the Cubans coming over these days. The same thing applies to Abreu as Puig. It is meant to protect them from signing contracts that work too much to their disadvantage on the back end if they're performing at a very high level. Yasiel Puig rf 7 years/$42M (2012-18) signed Major League contract with LA Dodgers as a free agent 6/27/12 $12M signing bonus 12:$2M, 13:$2M, 14:$2M, 15:$4.5M, 16:$5.5M, 17:$6.5M, 18:$7.5M may opt in to arbitration once he earns 3 years of Major League service time agent: Adam Katz & Andy Mota, Wasserman Media Group (previously Jaime Torres) ML service: 1.119 Cot's baseball contracts, please familiarize yourself with it, it will save you a lot of time and research and guessing.
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Pitch framing keeps Tyler Flowers with a job (and agent) and will probably push Kyle Schwarber to LF.
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It sounds like The Ultimate Champion if he was overdosing on PCP and lost 50% of his sports knowledge simultaneously. Winning brings some interesting posters, so there's that.
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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 12:09 AM) Crazy stat. Salvador Perez 2015: 1.3 WAR Geovany Soto 2015 season: 1.0 WAR Perez started out the year hot and has cooled offensively. It seems his defense and caught stealing percentages have fallen off a bit...that's a pretty weird stat, considering he made the All-Star team and not very many argued much about it. Once again, goes to show the overall weakness of the position in the major leagues, with some obvious exceptions like Posey, Molina, Russell Martin, Yan Gomes (when healthy), etc.
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http://www.startribune.com/let-s-make-a-de...-old/319190381/ This columnist is pushing for an Arcia for Benoit deal with the Padres. From 1998 through 2007, he (GM Terry Ryan) made a series of trades that might be unprecedented in baseball history. He dealt the proverbial bags of baseballs for the following players: David Ortiz, Joe Mays, Cristian Guzman, Eric Milton, Kyle Lohse, Johan Santana, Lew Ford, Rick Reed, Jason Bartlett, Shannon Stewart, Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, Carlos Silva, Nick Punto and Luis Castillo. Ten of those players made an All-Star team. One who didn’t finished in the top five in an MVP vote. Ryan returned to the job in November of 2011. He’s had almost four years to make a deal reminiscent of his former self. He has traded for Eduardo Nunez, Eduardo Escobar, Tommy Milone, some cash and a lot of minor-league filler. This week, Ryan gets to show off his former strength. He has a good team, a flexible payroll, an obvious need and a deep farm system. He should be able to land a hard-throwing reliever if nothing more. Also notes how almost none of the World Series winners made acquisitions that were all that helpful (mentions Peavy twice, haha), other than Dave Roberts and Geoff Blum.
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QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:57 PM) Cargo would be good for this team beyond just this year. He might not be the hitter he once was a few years back and he might have health issues, but he's a huge upgrade over Avi. The question is whether that upgrade is worth $42.3 million...not whether he's the better player, because he clearly is/has been (when he can stay healthy and on the field), and he's also a much better defender, which also carries more and more value than it used to.
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QUOTE (Ballz-n-Strikes @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:19 PM) If the answer to HITTING is Matt Latos and Iwakuma.. I'd pass and re-sign Shark. This team has a run scoring problem and really REALLY good pitching. No offense to you, but what you suggest is a downgrade in pitching for...I'm not even sure, because you don't really say. These are just two of many Samardzija alternatives (not paying him $105 million for 5 years, where he'd be 36 or 37 at the end of the deal)....in free agency this coming off-season. Not for current trades. Fathom remarked the only way he'd deal Quintana would be if Shark signed an extension.
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http://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnis...sharp/30816739/ Article arguing that the Tigers shouldn't be adding, but would be happy to trade Price for Puig if the Dodgers will offer and LA falls short on Cole Hamels. But this is when team president and general manager Dave Dombrowski must turn brutally honest when confronting Mike Ilitch with the harsh realities. Simply arguing that your team is as pathetic as those stumbling beside you for the final wild-card invitation isn’t a rational justification for tossing more treasure at a failed investment. Don’t fall into this trap: A bad American League team is going to make the playoffs, so why couldn’t that be the Tigers? For the Tigers, regrouping remains more important — not rebuilding, retooling or any of the many other expressions for concession. It’s more important using the remainder of the 2015 season to give the injured and long inactive, such as Justin Verlander and Bruce Rondon, more time to work through the rust. It’s more important focusing on what aspects of the roster need a full repair, rather than offering trade deadline patchwork options that likely won’t lift the Tigers to a playoff they’re too weak to win anyway. Someone bad is getting into the playoffs anyway shouldn’t be a rallying cry approaching Friday’s 4 p.m. deadline. Not sure about the author's conclusion that the Royals will have to trade Hosmer and Moustakas before the end of 2017 because Scott Boras is their agent....seems like wishful thinking. Right now, nobody's forcing the White Sox to trade Samardzija. If KC's leading the division in 2016 or 2017, they're not going to dump their best players.
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QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:00 PM) Is something wrong with Jennings? Just the fact that he pitched pretty terribly tonight against Boston in the 9th.
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QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:24 PM) Cool. Perkins not a lockdown reliever these days. Hitters 9 for their last 20 against him. Don't forget Twins/Pirates early game tmrw, Erwin Santana and Liriano against his former team. And just announced, Thursday night will be JA Happ (Mariners) against Phil Hughes, the last game before trade deadline.
