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Because it's boring to read over and over again how packaging Sanchez, Beck and Ravelo will lead to the acquisition of nearly every player in baseball...or Tyler Danish for that matter. If there are two polar opposites, the truth has to be somewhere in the middle. Which means giving up Montas and/or Hawkins. It's not being negative to assume the Braves will ask for Tim Anderson. Who else would they ask for? Dick Allen has been arguing for victor Martinez for days...is everyone negative that votes no? I'm more than happy to trade for Gattis to dh catch and play outfield occasionally. I'd probably give up Hawkins or Danish but I wouldn't trade Anderson or Montas. So let's hear exactly who everyone would trade for Gattis? I notice that question hasn't been answered.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 10:54 PM) McCann was a flop, therefore Gattis will be also? Tim Anderson? You are all over the place Gattis, as mentioned above, would have had the fourth best dh performance in the al. The Braves will look to trade Heyward and upton as both will be lost as free agents. The Braves like evan's bat ... And prefer another catcher defensively. They also feel his bat will play even bigger not having to catch regularly. You tell me who the white sox would have to give up for a proven young cost-controlled player if it's not Anderson?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 12:50 PM) Jesus, people who actually do this for a living think Rasmus will get 3/36? Haha that was my exact prediction.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 08:39 PM) Assuming the medicals looked ok, I would do this trade in heartbeat. I think certain people are overplaying CarGo's home/road splits here. As Eminor3rd mentioned, a lot of players are significantly better at home and I've read some theories on a Coors Field hangover effect that actually widens the gap. Let's say you make this trade and then sign Melky Cabrera. With no other changes you could be looking at the following lineup: 1. Adam Eaton, CF 2. Marcus Semien, 2B 3. Melky Cabrera, DH/LF 4. Jose Abreu, 1B 5. Carlos Gonzalez, LF/RF/DH 6. Avi Garcia, RF/DH 7. Conor Gillaspie, 3B 8. Tyler Flowers, C 9. Alexei Ramirez, SS As long as you have a platoon partner for Conor, that has the potential to be a very dangerous lineup. How are u going to afford those two massive salaries and make any other improvements to the team? We'd all love to plug Hanley Ramirez and cargo or ramirez and MeCabrera etc into the lineup. You're going to trade Danks somehow? Because those two salaries added will make improving the rotation and bullpen next to impossible.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 08:16 PM) His .493 slugging% is only behind VMart, Cruz, and Ortiz among DHs last year, so while yes, his bat is more valuable as a DH it's not like he'd be a bad offensive DH. Then you have the uncertainty of the NL transition to AL...McCann was a flop. That doesn't mean Gattis will automatically end up like Dunn or McCann or any number of other examples, but there's been a pretty consistent trend of reduced performance when switching leagues (especially the first year, NL to AL). Obviously, it didn't end up bothering Eaton too much, as a counterexample. Some players can adjust much more quickly. The question is would Hahn be willing to give up Tim Anderson for Gattis? Or wouldn't it be a better use of resources to find a DH on the free agent market, someone between Adam Lind and Victor Martinez.

One of the few examples (other than Fast and Furious) where the series kept its momentum or improved over time. It's pretty unprecedented with animation.

Huge offensive addition, but there's lot of indications he's 1) not very good defensively and 2) most of his allure comes from his hitting, but when you move him to DH/LF then you lose a lot of his positive positive as we all know the average offensive numbers from the catching position have been on the decline for a decade. If you could CONFIDENTLY play him at 3B, then I'd consider it, but that's probably the equivalent of Viciedo or Teahen over there, at best. Then you're left deciding to pay a big-time free agent as your DH or give away a lot of talent to acquire an asset, which wouldn't make a lot of sense at this point in the rebuild...since we don't have a surplus of prospects unless you consider Sanchez to be one. Sanchez/Beck/Ravelo for Gattis would be laughed off the phone.

So Montas is our own version of Tyler Kolek but 2-3 years ahead of him in development. Not bad to get what is essentially a return of two Top 100 prospects for Jake Freaking Peavy.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 05:37 PM) Not even close to reality. Hawkins is our number 1 outfield prospect, an easy top 10 in our system, with excellent, albeit unrefined tools, who just had a bounceback season. Nothing about him fits the definition of a spare part. The Sox have no second baseman and may be peddling the SS. Those 2 positions will be divided among 3 players, of whom Sanchez is one. Now it's also true I have little interest in a highly paid player with De Aza numbers away from Coors field who is poor defensively and who has big warning signs indicating sharp decline. He may be iconic to the Rockies, but he's extremely flawed in my eye. The Sox need a good fielding LF who can hit -and that will be the hardest need to fill, no doubt. And from that list....Rasmus, Melky Cabrera, Morse, Torii Hunter, Nelson Cruz and Nick Markakis, good luck choosing from among them. M.Cabrera, Morse, Hunter (even at his age) and Cruz (except for the 2nd half decline) can obviously hit, but then your defense is not taking a step forward. We're building the anti-Royals, a diametrically opposed opposite if we were to trade Alexei. Markakis can sort of hit and sort of field, but not superior by any stretch at either, especially for the price tag. Then you have the Rasmus Enigma.

If "contact skills" was translatable, it surely didn't happen with Keppinger's example. Or when we had AJ and Pierre on the team. It has to be a systemic, team-based change of hitting philosophy, like we saw in combination with Pods and Iguchi and the non-power hitters in 2005. The Royals are the perfect example...even Gordon wasn't a GREAT hitter last year, but they make a lot of contact at most spots in the line-up (obviously Moustakas and Hosmer have a ways to go) and have a team with lots of speed to take advantage of those balls put in play. One of the reasons that started happening was Escobar was moved to the top of the line-up and became less of a free swinger, and then Aoki's such an unorthodox contact hitter behind him it rubbed off on Cain too, who started to make better contact and decided to be a "pure" hitter rather than high strikeout/15-18 homers projection. Butler as well in the 2nd half, even though his power numbers were way down.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 04:54 PM) Ha, both are literally the baseball definition of a spare part. Sanchez is (at this point) a decent utility infielder that has maybe a 1/3 shot to turn into an average MLB middle infielder either at SS or 2B. Hawkins is a B- prospect that hasn't yet played above A ball. You trade those guys 10/10 for an established MLB player like Gonzo. Not saying Gonzo would even be a particularly good target (don't know enough about his injury history or his splits outside Coors) but those guys are by every definition "spare parts" that would be used in a trade like this. To already define Hawkins as a "spare" part after he was pushed so much in 2013...beyond where most experts believe a high school player with limited baseball experience should have been, it's a risk that we finally do have a "toolsy" player break through. With the noted failures of Mitchell, Thompson, K.Walker, it seems logical to just lump Hawkins into that group, believe the White Sox won't develop him and trade him away. Sanchez, sure. But Hawkins has the most power potential of any prospect in our system when power's becoming a more and more valuable factor in the game. Let's look at it this way. If Carlos Gonzalez was a free agent today, would we be happy if the White Sox signed him to a contract that's the exact same one as we would be taking on if we traded for him? You've got the injury concerns, the fact he's had two "subpar" seasons in the last three years (no matter how you aggregate the numbers over 5 years to mask 2 of the last 3, where his "average" WAR over 2 of those 3 has been in the 0.5-1.0 range), the home/away splits, the transition from the NL to the AL thing to deal with, it's too much, in combination. If your medical team is convinced he's 100% healthy, sure, you have to consider it. The Rockies' doctors/medical team has even more information, so why would THEY want to trade him when you have a potential superstar (return to that status) whose trade market value has been dinged at least 50%? If CarGo was on the White Sox, we'd all be saying let him play this year and rebuild value...don't sell low on a player with that type of ability. If he doesn't show the health (we have another version of this problem in Danks), then you are pretty much stuck with him unless you're willing to eat a significant amount of salary. The problem is that he's an iconic player there (unlike Danks in Chicago), so you can't just "dump" CarGo and trade Tulowitzki without getting major pieces in return. Just don't see it happening. Finally, I haven't even looked them up, but haven't his defensive metrics also eroded over the last 2-3 seasons? To say that he's STILL a better outfielder than Eaton at this stage is pushing it a bit.

This is still a lot of antipathy towards Cuomo's father...numerous skeletons buried in the closet that supposedly prevented a presidential run back in 1988 or 1992. Then you have the Kennedy connections, which can rub people the wrong way sometimes. He's not nearly as articulate or well-spoken as his father. To me, he's another version of Rahn Emmanuel.

I'm of the belief that Hahn would rather wait another year and sacrifice a first rounder from #12-18 in 2016 if he can't get any of the few logical targeted players this off-season. Or that we might strike in the Cuban/Japanese/Korean market again, where it wouldn't cost us a high draft pick. Or that instead of forcing an acquisition that's not an ideal fit, he'll figure out a way to trade for that logical/critical asset instead. Granted, he doesn't have Reed and Santiago to dangle this time around....he's stuck with moving fringy prospects, Alexei Ramirez or Dayan Viciedo, which doesn't provide much in the way of wiggle room.

$100-116 million for a 3B who's very likely to continue to battle weight/health issues into his 30's....and who's likely to put up a 725-750ish OPS in the coming years? I don't think the upgrade is worth the money unless it's for an all-around superstar-caliber player with offensive and defensive skills in the OF or at catcher. Sandoval's a 12-18 homer guy now, which isn't FAR off what Conor could be expected to provide in the next year or so. The major difference is his defense, but is that really worth a nine figure contract for a team that hasn't approached that number for a single player?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 06:53 AM) Next year our 1st round pick might not be protected so if you want a premium hitter or 2 which comes attached with a qualifying offer then your giving up a 1st rd. draft pick. If we get a premium hitter or 2 this year. we give up a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick. Also if you target some of those guy above will it not impact the Sox ability to get those guys next year since you have now occupied much of the payroll flexilbilty ? If we're going to make moves for premium talent then this is the ideal year for it. Except there are no "ideal" players. Sandoval's projected to get $100-116 million for 5-6 years and he's probably a 725-750 OPS 3B from here on out.

The date "skinny ASU/Pirates" Bonds started using and went from borderline HOF with great defense, steals and XB power (but not 40-70 homers annually)?

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 01:30 AM) someone actually knows how it is done. great. but let me ask, this doesn't include for a pitcher having a bad day. it the pitcher has a bad day, it counts against the catcher. unless I am reading this wrong. the idea is that over thousands of pitches, trends will develop between umpires and certain catchers getting the "benefit of the doubt" on "grey zone/corner or on the black" calls over others of course, it would be hard to calculate exactly because some hitters are known for having such a precise strike zone that anything they don't swing at should be called a ball

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Nov 5, 2014 -> 09:52 PM) What democrat do you guys think will win the Iowa caucuses? Because it matters.... Historically, you've had to win either Iowa or New Hampshire. I can't remember, but Bill Clinton was one of the few exceptions... http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/30/politics...lone/index.html About the possibility of nobody contesting Iowa against Clinton. Martin O'Malley, Bernie Sanders (zero chance to win), Warren (popular but needs more experience?), Webb, Biden, Klobuchar (MN, border state, might be looking to raise national profile, first "two women" ticket?) and Deval Patrick (pretty much zero chance NOW with Obama's performance, unfortunately race will be used against him). Webb and Warren the most interesing resumes. O'Malley would be the 3rd choice there. I always thought Bayh from IND had some potential but I think he's done with politics as far as I understand.

A healthy CarGo in his prime at Coors Field > Rasmus Unfortunately, that 759 OPS over the last three years away from Denver doesn't help his case...not to mention the injuries, the contract we'd be assuming and talent surrendered. Basically, two of the last three years he's been a 0-1 WAR player. And he's finally reached the last season of his "peak" years, his age 29 season. That would be fine, in and of itself, if he'd shown an ability to stay on the field the past three years. That worrying trend, alone, doesn't augur well for him staying healthier as he continues to age. Too much risk IMO.

http://pro.boxoffice.com/featured_stories/...llar-big-hero-6 First really interesting box office showdown (Interstellar vs. Big Hero 6) since the summer.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 5, 2014 -> 07:51 PM) according to mlb rumor page, Col would be willing to hear any proposal for Troy Tulowitzki. his new contract starts next yr, for 6 yrs. he is 30 yrs old now. according to the splits you will see the huge difference in fields stats. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...ar=2014&t=b Tempting, but even our best offer of Montas, Danish, Anderson and Hawkins might not be enough to get it done. They would ask for Quintana in addition and that would be the deal breaker IMO. If they would accept the first deal, it's definitely something to consider. However, a Rockies player coming to the AL, his injury history...his going into his decline years, only the Kenny Williamses of the world have the balls to make that deal. And the problem is that the farm system still doesn't have enough depth to recover from losing every top prospect but Rodon in one fell swoop. It would take another 18 months to replace that level of talent.

Here's another hypothetical: Trade Danks for Ethier/Edwin Jackson/Josh Hamilton vs. Trade some package of prospects not named Anderson and of course Rodon (let's say Montas, Hawkins and Semien/Sanchez) for CarGO I don't think anyone's (except the poster on this thread page) going to give up that talent and take on another possibly corrosive contract...just way too much risk. We did it with Thome, but that was with a rather large subsidy attached to make the financials work. The Rockies are going to be more desperate to unload him with so many outfielders, especially if they're serious about keeping Tulowitzki). Then you have that other batch: Nelson Cruz, Rasmus, Markakis, Torii Hunter, Michael Morse and Melky Cabrera All six of those guys have HUGE HUGE red flags that you could point to and say why signing them would be disasters. Of course, that's why GM's are paid the amount they are. To assess that risk and pull the trigger...so far, with the exception of Abreu and Eaton, Hahn has been very conservative and risk-averse. Maybe not this offseason, but heading into 2016 (just like the Cubs' situation going into 2016 for Theo) he's going to have to put his job on the line.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-190201826.html And if you surveyed all the current players, 75% or more would probably agree with him. That's the biggest issue for any "Ivory Tower/young breed" GM, gaining respect, learning the lingo and providing insights that actually help the players and their careers...being able to translate "saber" language into "clubhouse" language. Part of it is the "disrespect" of being cut or evaluated by someone who's never played the sport, whether that's right or wrong to feel, it's there for many athletes unless that coach/GM becomes so effective with his approach that nobody questions it. We saw it in the Hosmer article if you read that...about a writer trying too hard to "be cool" and relate to the players.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 5, 2014 -> 10:40 AM) I will say this, if Victor signs with someone else, I hope he sucks even worse than the posters who don't want him think he will. Didn't we all say basically the same thing about Ubaldo Jimenez and Beckham last year at this time?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 5, 2014 -> 10:38 AM) I think "always" is the wrong word to use in this situation, as there are always exceptions - guys like Jose Abreu and Jermaine Dye come to mind immediately. Still, I think you know what he meant. We don't need to play this semantics game. It's a good and valuable discussion and I don't want to see it degrade into a pissing match. Alexei Ramirez also comes to mind.