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I guess I'd be okay with a catcher AND a pitcher, but I'm still not going to be particularly happy if Beckham and DeAza are both still around next year because we couldn't find someone who would take them off our hands.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 09:11 AM) It'll be just Erasmo. Viciedo for Erasmo. Why would we do that when we got an even better pitcher for free in Noesi? At any rate, if he does, there BETTER be a plan for 2015 that doesn't involve Davidson striking out 150 times at DH/3B and bringing back DeAza for LF...because we're going to suck if we only have Abreu (and maybe Davidson) as the only hitter/s on the team capable of hitting more than 15 homers. Davidson's stat line would likely look quite similar to Mike Olt's at 3B.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 07:46 AM) I don't know what their system looks like, but in theory we need all of the following: -RHSP (at least 1) -big lefty power bat -DH? if we keep Tank maybe not, but he still has to turn it around -SS after Alexei -an actual OF who can play the OF -starting C -LHRP at least 1 -quality MR and SU options So if you get like a good looking A- RHSP prospect or SS for example along with a good looking LHRP who is close to ready along with full salary relief then that should be something we'd have to think about pulling the trigger on. you're being way too ambitious when you consider his diminished velocity, high walks/lower K's and home runs allowed totals....not to mention his contract, the most important factor for at least 75% of playoff-contending teams

It better be for Maurer and Erasmo Ramirez.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 07:35 AM) For the record, here are notable players picked in that 14-18 range that Caulfield dreads so much: 14: Jose Fernandez, Jason Heyward, Billy Butler, Jeff Weaver, Jason Varitek, Derrek Lee, Cliff Floyd, Tino Martinez, and, of course, Ron Karkovice 15: Stephen Drew, Scott Kazmir, Chase Utley, Chris Carpenter, and Jim Rice 16: Nick Swisher, Lance Berkman, Lance Parrish, Roberto Hernandez, Shawn Green 17: Roy Halladay, Cole Hamels, Gary Matthews Sr, Charles Nagy, AJ Pollock 18: Willie Wilson, Glenn Wilson. RA Dickey too, but he was a genuinely talented pitcher but was forced to change due to injury. #18 has the worst history, but the best player in the majors right now went 25th overall, so it's not like there isn't talent there. Except what has happened when the White Sox have picked in this range...? Other than Chris Sale? Let's just say 10-19. BTW, the White Sox still haven't won a Saturday home game all year (yet), right? The one victory was on the road I'm pretty sure. Has a team ever gone for an entire season without winning a home game on a certain day of the week over a modern-day, 162 game schedule?

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 11:39 PM) Seattle's going to be a tough one to knock off Especially if we trade Viciedo for Erasmo Ramirez or Maurer, lol.

QUOTE (Tannerfan @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 09:41 PM) Caulfield you really should be a a Cubs fan. Their philosophy is perfect for you. The White Sox are the ones with this philosophy, not me. If we had a closer and a catcher, we'd legitimately have a shot at the Wild Card, even without Avisail Garcia. Instead, we continue to trot out the worst position player in the MLB on an almost everyday basis with no back-up plan in sight.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 10:28 PM) Use Youkilis as your example - he who was declining, whom we got for cheap in terms of players but who had a high salary, but who ended up carrying us into contention in 2012. Dye (good year before we signed him) and AJ (1 bad year) weren't declining like Craig and we got each absolutely dirt cheap. No 3/25 or 4/38. Pods was Pods. Bullpen can be 100 for all I care. Youkilis was already basically done because of the back problems...and we were fortunate that Middlebrooks was so promising then, or they wouldn't have parted with him so easily, just like the Thome/Ryan Howard situation in Philly. Dye was coming off a broken leg. The point is you do need SOME veterans in the mix for a playoff-contending team to be leaders. The other point is that finding a "guaranteed" 800 OPS bat in the outfield isn't as easy as it seems. It's either going to cost money or talent. It's not like the situation with pitchers (Jenks, Santos, Humber, Quintana, Putnam, Noesi, Carroll, Guerra) where they just grow on trees and are magically reborn under Cooper. In fact, the last everyday player we were able to pick up in that fashion was DeAza in 2010-11.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 10:31 PM) You don't agree that things have worsened considerably in all aspects (economy including gas prices, society, environment) during the Obama era? It's truly depressing. It's hard to argue all aspects since the stock market was collapsing two months before the 2008 election and now it is at an all-time high again. Gas prices and environmental problems were just as bad or worse under Bush. Society...I'm not even sure how you can quantify that...wouldn't most older and middle-aged Americans have said society was getting much worse in the 60's and early 70's, the era of "free love" and rampant drug use and where you had universities being occupied by protesters? Remember the 1970's when there was an oil shortage/rationing...the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland caught on fire, 3 Mile Island, rampant inflation, etc.

Here's the argument that we've been hearing about why Chris Beck isn't getting K's....applied by the Cubs to their pitchers Wada/Beeler/Hendricks in AAA. Following the gameplan is a point of emphasis for Cubs pitching coach Chris Bosio and Epstein's front office. (Iowa Cubs pitching coach Bruce) Walton has to send the top-down message. "Every night, I fill out a game report with my comments, telling [the front office] what we're working on, the progress of each guy, where they're at," Walton said. "For example, it could be a game where we went seven innings, gave up six runs, but three of the runs we gave up is because we were working on something and we didn't execute it as well as we're going to execute it in the future. "But we have to start somewhere and we don't want to start when they get called up. We do make some sacrifices here, where the line score probably could have been better if we had ignored some developmental things. But that's not what we're about. We're about trying to make our guys major-league ready when they get there." That’s the entire point. "They understand everything we discuss is going to help them in the long run,” Walton said. “They make sacrifices in the short run to be better in the long run. They get it. "Sometimes, there are baby steps here and some of the stuff we work on doesn't really help you for this league. It sounds funny, but with the plans that we have, we as a staff are trying to get better at the major-league level. We're not really worried about trying to get our outs here, although they do come. "We're trying to put our gameplan together for the big leagues. Not our gameplan to be an All-Star in the [Pacific Coast League]." http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/after-samar...t-wave-pitching

Cubs blow 5-0 lead in the 2nd game of DH against the Reds, swept, now losers of 5 consecutive games since the big trade.

Cubs blow 5-0 lead in the 2nd game of DH against the Reds, swept, now losers of 5 consecutive games since the big trade.

You mean the road to the 14th-18th draft pick in the 1st round....? I'd rather they were 10 games under .500, improved the team with the best trades for prospects at the deadline and all the key players for next season were completely healthy/successful in Abreu, Sale, Quintana, Eaton and Avisail.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 08:12 PM) Who suggested trading for Seth Smith or Melky Cabrera? The Padres just signed Smith to a two year deal and Cabrera is on a first place team... That was kind of the point. All the outfielders (especially LH) we might want for next season (since Viciedo should be traded according to half the board) aren't available or are too pricey or are likely to come back down to earth and overachieving, etc. There's not a single player we could propose other than Mike Trout we could trade for that wouldn't be criticized, and some would undoubtedly say Trout is striking out too much this year.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 08:18 PM) Who else was up in the bullpen ? Surkamp and Putnam earlier.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 08:15 PM) Quintana has a better FIP (Although Tanaka has a considerably better xFIP and SIERA) Sounds more like someone from Road Rules/Real World or a tribute to Ruben High Sierra.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 08:15 PM) 163rd now alltime in doubles Passed Andre "The Hawk" Dawson

Especially with Sale and Quintana looming the next two games. Who's tanking more? Red Sox or Brazil soccer?

Konerko finally gets his chance to shine. What did they give him for retirement? A box of Dunkin' Donuts?

Tanaka with 5, 4, 2 and 3 runs given up his last four starts. 2.51 ERA on the season still, but is now "only" 12-4. Last two, 13 2/3 IP with 9 ER.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 08:03 PM) Nice triple for De Aza. Sierra definitely hurting - probably a pulled hamstring. Yay, more Jordan "Crash Davis" Danks. Actually, trading his brother might finally end his White Sox career. Hopefully we'd see Taylor instead. Just for a change. Getting quite tired of hearing how Jordan's the best defensive outfielder in the Sox system when they've been saying that for 5-6 seasons now.

Three K's. #100, leading the majors. Flowers 0 for his last 18 and Beckham 0 for his last 21.

PLEASE PH FOR FLOWERS!!!! If he gets his 100th K....SHEESH. DeAza bailed him out. Still don't want to see Flowers make another out. Jackie Bradley Jr. probably makes that play. No place for Betts to play that's close to his natural position.

I doubt Ventura goes to Surkamp and adds the risk of the closer/Petricka coming in with a runner on base again like the other night. Jake's the only one warming at the moment.

Jason Castro was the only catcher listed on the Heyman list of 60 players who might be traded. Grandal has been mentioned numerous times, but they're unlikely to sell low on him.