Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 08:10 AM) Tribune quotes Hostetler as saying that he has a list of six players and only one is a pitcher. That's good news for those of us hoping they go positional. I won't be upset if one of the top arms falls to them, but it would be nice to come out of the 1st round with a positional talent.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 08:22 PM) Love it. Win win. Lol.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 07:16 PM) Not at all, hes been riding the pine this year and will likely continue that trend going forward since he is still experiencing concussion symptoms. hes got a complete NTC and over 20mil guaranteed for the next 3 years before he can be bought out for 5mil. I see his career quickly going the same route as Carl Crawford. You forgot about Fowler and the fact they'll probably sign an impact OF (Harper perhaps) in free agency in the near future. Obviously they don't have to trade Frazier by any means, but they can afford to if it lands them a cost-controlled TOR starter. The problem is Quintana is not pitching like one right now and we'll probably have to wait until the offseason to move him (at the earliest) unless Q goes on a crazy run over the next weeks.

Anderson K's 10x more than he walks. That's f***ing insane and not going to work.

I still think the Yankees make the most sense for Quintana. Clint Frazier is having a nice year and is completely expendable for them. Obviously there would have to be other pieces, but I think a deal makes too much sense for both sides.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) Teams will definitely go by fip and not era but a 4 fip is also not TOR pitching. He should get better than that and I do think they should get at least two top100 prospects and more for him but I could understand why teams would prefer a guy who does it with strikeouts and not with soft contact and Homer prevention. I see the Sox getting a top20 guy as the headliner but maybe not a top5 guy like moncada. Quintana is ranked 20th & 25th in K/9 & K % respectively amongst qualified starters. While not elite per se, he is literally right up there with some of the most dominant pitchers in baseball. And yes, I'm aware that this is not the norm for Quintana and he'd typically fall within the top 45 or so. Regardless, if he could somehow maintain his K rate while getting closer to his normal BB & HR rates, the FIP would be ridiculous and I don't think there'd be much for GMs/scouts to question about him and a truly elite prospect might be attainable. Unfortunately, that's an unrealistic expectation and I think a top 20 type headliner is about right assuming his overall numbers regress to his career norms.

Please dominate these f***s Quintana.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 08:55 PM) I think Hansen has done enough to graduate from Kanny. 22 BB / 82 K in 66 2/3 innings seems day and night compared to the hard thrower at OU last year. He needs to be challenged at the next level. It's absurd he's still down there. I have no idea what Getz is doing TBH.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) That would mean most of the players the Sox have acquired are playing poorly. I'll take this year. But if the Sox are that bad next year, they need to start the rebuild all over again because the players they acquired suck. Not all the guys we acquired will be up next year. And there will be a maturity for those that are up. Next year is most likely going to be very ugly no matter what.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 10:21 AM) I probably do, and don't know it. I also probably work with a lot of people who've done other terrible things. Unfortunately, most of us aren't independently wealthy and have to work for a living. Come on shack, I agree with you on most social issues, but this is crazy. He has a right to earn a living, but the rest of us have a right to not want to work with such a person. Unfortunately when you're convicted of child molestation, there are going to be some repercussions. One of those is struggling to find work.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 10:20 AM) Really, you should probably know all the details. Normally I would agree, but if he molested a family member and it was reported, I'm going to assume it was pretty f***ing bad. Regardless, people are not going to be around this guy. He's simply not worth the distraction whether he's "reformed" or not.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 10:17 AM) Why? If he wanted to drive a bakery truck, would you say he's unemployable? Should he never be allowed to make a living? Would you want to work with someone who molested a six year old?

QUOTE (Bruce_Blixton @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 10:08 AM) I'm pretty sure he was projected to go in the 3rd or 4th before this revelation, I think he's going to go way later in the draft if he gets drafted at all. I agree with other posters sentiments, people deserve second chances in life especially when they do something regrettable as a teenager. What he did was reprehensible but he should be allowed to show that he has reformed before being cast aside. He was in high school. He wasn't a little kid or something. Child molestation takes a special kind of evil. f*** this dude.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 10:05 AM) He's undraftable in my opinion. Until there's more details, proof of years of counseling, and even maybe starting in independent baseball, you can't bring this guy in. Even then, teams may just pass. Yeah, you don't touch this guy with a 10 foot pole. I agree about giving people second chances, but there is no excuse for molesting a 6 year child regardless of age. None whatsoever. Even if you get past your own moral high ground, drafting him is only going to add clubhouse drama going forward. No reason to put the rest of your prospects in an uncomfortable spot.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 07:23 AM) The organization must not think Engel fits into this rebuild. He has to be upset being demoted after playing well up here. Being replaced by Hansen has to be upsetting to him. What? They want Engel to get everyday at-bats and he wasn't going to get those with Luery playing well in front of him.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 03:05 AM) I guess I should mention I could ask for a delay, and to be pushed back in line, but I want to get the car prior to the end of 2017 so I can immediately take the tax credit, and move somewhere across the country, using that $7500 tax credit as a down payment for a house. Joe, what do you do for a living? You seem to be doing pretty well for yourself if you can afford to buy both a Telsa & house in the same year.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 05:58 PM) Have to be honest, a bats right fields left 1B prospect without significant power seems a little strange. Does he become a corner OF? Why does the "bats right fields left" matter unless you don't like right-handed hitters in general? He's considered elite defensively at 1B and power is the only big caveat to his game. I'm much more willing to gamble on his power coming with physical maturation & coaching, rather than our ability to develop a guy with big swing & miss issues. Having said that, White becoming an OF is what makes him attractive to me. If there's any chance he can stick in CF, he quickly becomes one of the top positional prospects in the entire draft. Even as a corner OF he would still make a ton of sense because he could be plus out there due to his athleticism. Hostetler has made it very clear that he doesn't like guys with serious swing & miss issues. To me, Kendall is a smoke-screen and they're likely targeting a higher floor bat at #11. White gives me a bit of a Zach Collins vibe in that teams valued him very differently based on whether they thought he could stick at catcher or not. The Sox were confident he could and would have apparently drafted him at #1 overall. At least nine teams disagreed with that assumption and decided to pass. White's ability to play CF/OF is a similar question at this time, but if you believe he can stick there he immediately becomes a huge steal at #11.

QUOTE (Bruce_Blixton @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 09:20 PM) Spencer Adams with a Maddux, been very impressive this year. Adams & Guerrero have both been pleasant surprises after rough 2016's.

I have a feeling Davidson's little run is coming to an end. His K rate was over 50% in his last 10 starts coming into tonight.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 07:59 PM) Collins might be that rare guy that hits better for average as he goes up the ladder. He knows the zone. Maybe the focus on defense has taken away from his hitting, but he'll go to AA next year and hit .260 with 20 bombs. 100% this.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 04:29 PM) I'm honestly not about to do all of the research to prove my point, but I feel like your point is a lot more true for RH hitters than LH. If you're LH and have a certain body type 9/10 you're going to play 1B in college, just the way it is. Personally, I don't want to take a risk on a guy who clearly doesn't have as good of a hit tool because of what position they play when we have an organization devoid of capable MLB quality hitters. Clearly I'm in the vast minority on this and that's fine. Trust me, I see the other side of wanting to take the higher ceiling player at a premium position, its not exactly rocket science that they are harder to find and in higher demand. But I personally would rather take the surer thing at 11 in what I feel is a weak top of the draft class and gamble in rounds 2-6. I'm 100% with you. I want to see Getz and the development folks prove they can develop a prospect with serious swing and miss issues before I spend a 1st round pick on such a player. If possible, go with a higher floor player on an underslot deal at 11 and then gamble later in the draft.

I have a feeling Evan White is our guy.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 07:36 AM) This rebuild but lose is very hard. I guess every time Robertson comes in for a save, I should hope he pitches well but costly errors by players other than those positional players we hope to trade blows the save. Maybe that explains the error problems Anderson seems to be having. We've been through this. Cheer for the team to win, but accept the fact they're going to lose plenty of games regardless. The only time we should cheer against them IMO is those last few weeks when draft position is much more apparent. Otherwise, enjoy the team however you can.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 07:45 AM) I think he means the cumulative career WAR from each of those draft positions... Yeah, and there is a huge difference between #1 & #4. Draft position DOES matter. Obviously quality scouting is critical as well, but you can't draft someone who was already selected. See taking Fulmer because Benintendi was off the board.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 10:06 PM) Why would they want a guy who has yet to adjust to AL pitching. This would be a salary dump. Holding on.....more like forced to. What? Dude was a league average hitter last year and is pretty much a league average hitter now. Combine that will solid defense at 3B and being a great clubhouse presence and there will be teams willing to give up something of value for him.