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But why? Show me your math on how you got to this conclusion. What is the projected surplus value of Mayo vs. the projected surplus value of Cease?

Fully agree. Can’t go with two guys with 1B/DH risk.

What’s the biggest ever? The Eric Chavez thread or was it Machado?

This is called posturing. And I’m probably Mayo’s biggest fan on this board, but to say he plays a premium position is a pretty big leap.

This is what I’d also like to know. Obviously Holliday isn’t happening, but not sure I buy Mayo or Basallo being completely untouchable. I still think Cowser or Kjerstad is far more likely as the main piece, but I wouldn’t completely rule out a Mayo being made available, especially if it resulted in the rest of the package being reduced some.

At some point you move to a blind bid process and tell teams to present their best offers. Obviously we’re not there yet, but once that happens one potential buyer will usually go above the rest of the pack because they have no idea what they’re bidding against and don’t want to lose out on the prized asset. The key is to ensure there is enough known interest to keep bids honest. With the remaining options available being less than desirable, it seems we’re rapidly getting closer to that time. Fingers crossed, but so far Getz has managed this process well from what’s been made publicly available.

Exactly

Yup, this the reality teams with money and a need for a TOR starter face. You can spend $200M+ on Snell, $175M or so on Montgomery, or trade premium prospects for two years of Cease and likely a comp pick at the end. Those first two options are probably not very appetizing. And for teams without cash, it’s Cease or hope you can convince the Marlins to give up Luzardo (which sounds like it will be very challenging). Getz is is incredible spot…but he shouldn’t wait on Boras to find homes for Snell & Montgomery. IMO, now is the time to force teams to put their offers on the table.

He also perfected his slider that year and started to maximize its usage. You have to remember that his curveball was his big weapon in the minors and he gradually switched over to his slider being his out pitch. That took a few years, but eventually that slider got so nasty that it became the most valuable pitch in Statcast. I just think it’s silly to look at Cease’s performance prior to 2021 and draw any conclusions. Pitchers can materially change in an instance with small mechanical changes or repertoire adjustments and we saw that firsthand with Cease.

I’m just saying things, but if Getz is holding to three premium prospects and there is still this much interest I think our expectations should rise some.

What makes him a 1B type? Just his size? Kris Bryant is a 6’ 5”, 230 pound 3B / OF. Obviously Mayo isn’t that level of athlete, but we’re not talking about Andrew Vaughn here. The kid is fairly athletic and moves very well for his size and has a double plus arm. A 1B / DH caliber bat that clan play an average RF would be worth a ton. And I think Kjerstad has similar 1B risk as Mayo does.

I’m probably in the minority here, but I think he has the skillset to play RF and would potentially be better than Kjerstad out there due to his arm. It would be different if the alternative were a true up the middle prospect, but if I have the choice between those two I’m going with Mayo.

I think the price has risen to Mayo, Beavers, & McDermott.

I noticed that too…seems like many have him behind Anthony and even Teel in some cases

Yeah, this coming from Rosenthal makes a major difference. A week may be optimistic, but I do think real trade talks can happen concurrently with Boras managing the Snell & Montgomery markets.

It’s great for O’s fans like yourself & Frobby who value winning above all else…this should be a bit terrifying for your fans that prioritize prospect hugging

The Chuckster is an early fan favorite, but he just missed for me.

That Rosenthal article should make everyone here feel much better and Orioles fans feel very nervous.

Absolutely amazing news. There is still hope for a savage yet.

Maldonado isn’t top 10? Who would you add in his absence?

Any interesting call out for those of us unable to listen?

The Sox have added a league leading 11 players to their 40 man roster this off-season along with agreeing to notable minor league deals Brett Phillips and Chad Kuhl. Time to rank these additions by hype level…here are mine! The Top 10: Erick Fedde, RHP Mike Soroka, RHP Jared Shuster, LHP Nicky Lopez, IF Max Stassi, CA Shane Drohan, LHP Martin Maldonado, CA Braden Shewmake, IF Paul DeJong, IF Chris Flexin, RHP Just Missed: Chad Kuhl, RHP Tim Hill, LHP Brett Phillips, OF Chuckle Robinson, CA Mark Payton, OF

Sherman has a really good article on the Yankees situation (doesn’t sound like they love Snell or Montgomery, but know they need to add a frontline starter) with the following burb on Cease: “The White Sox are more likely to move Dylan Cease, but they see the soaring pitching contracts in free agency and the concurrent desperation among teams. So the “three premium prospects” ask was so high that, for example, the Braves decided to take the risk of acquiring the injury-bedeviled Chris Sale instead.” https://nypost.com/2024/01/04/sports/mlb-free-agency-yankees-may-have-to-settle-to-fill-out-rotation/

Sherman has a really good article on the Yankees situation (doesn’t sound like they love Snell or Montgomery, but know they need to add a frontline starter) with the following burb on Cease: