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QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) They did not blow it with Peavy. Aside from Avi they got Frankie Montas (a very legit prospect used to acquire Frazier), JB Wendelken (part of the Lawrie trade) and Cleuluis Rondon (jury's still out on, still young). Not to mention the fact that the money saved from moving Peavy was used to sign Abreu the following offseason. Yup. A Top 100 prospect + two elite tooled fliers (Montas' fastball, Rondon's defense) and a projectable reliever isn't blowing a trade for a rental pitcher.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 02:44 PM) Way we could blow it is the same way we blew it (arguably) with Peavy. We tried to get cute and "rebuild on the fly" and traded for Avi in the 3-way instead of getting legit prospects. ...Avi was a legit prospect. Just because he busted doesn't mean he wasn't legit.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 02:02 PM) Another source says the #WhiteSox were offered a "king's ransom" for Sale in the last 48 hours and responded with a flat "no." I'm intrigued as to what that is.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 01:43 PM) I understood what you were saying, and what I feel is a similar type of overpay is exactly what should be expected for Quintana. Gotcha.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) Why are we selling ourselves short? Every damn year there are lopsided trades and of course we're never a part of it. Quintana was always the superior pitcher to Shelby Miller, also. If Hahn would have inquired about him with Arizona who knows the result. This is what I fear will happen with Rich Hill. We'll make excuses of course like people did with Miller, but I'd believe yet again Hahn just didnt bother picking up the phone. I've been the biggest Q backer on this site, calm down. It's because the Shelby Miller package was such an overpay, not because Q isn't as good as Miller.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 01:19 PM) Why would Q bring back less than Shelby f***ing Miller? Not only has Q provided 10 wins more over the last 4 years (since they both became full-time starters), but Miller has less control. It would be asinine to accept anything close to that deal. Again, the model for a Q trade is the Cole Hamels trade. 3 top 100 prospects and major league pieces. Anything less is a joke offer. Because the Shelby Miller trade was a significant overpay. Like, that package would have been hard to see a team dealing for Q, but something close would be acceptable.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) Re: misery. Honestly, it's less painful than now. Year 3 we will be getting antsy. But knowin gthere is a purpose goes a long way. 2013/2014 weren't that bad. I liked seeing the young talent play. The misery is that Q and Sale will be gone, to be honest. Sale's on a HoF track and Q's the type that could pitch for a long time and be an all-time Sox pitcher. It'd just suck.

There are three untouchables in a full scale fire sale. Anderson, Rodon, Fulmer. Sale could bring back an unprecedented haul. Q should bring back something slightly less than the Shelby Miller debacle. Gonzalez and Shields could probably bring in some decent fliers. Abreu's name would probably carry some value. Frazier's average is low, but he's producing runs. Bring some value. Eaton should bring some good value back. Melky should bring a decent prospect in. Robertson/Duke/Jones/Jennings can all bring in a decent prospect. Lawrie might. Just know, everyone here will be in misery for at least 3 years, regardless of return. It's probably the wise move at this point but still. Anderson, Rodon, Fulmer (now in the rotation) and Saladino would be the only watchable parts of it. You'd have to hope that the 2016 draft class are all fast risers to minimize the misery.

Trade both if you trade one. Q for a King's Ransom Sale for an Emperor's Ransom

The Cubs love of Baez is confounding.

QUOTE (The Mighty Mite @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 12:45 PM) I'm really down on Abreu, he's out of shape, can't field and is slower than Konerko. All that plus if he's 28, I'm a monkey's uncle. I'd like to see Frazier at first base, Lawrie at 3rd and Saladino at second. Abreu can DH along with Morneau. He's definitely not slower than Paulie. And you'd play Saladino at 3rd in this case.

Merging this with the exact same thread 5 topics down.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 08:53 AM) You know what would come after nine more wins in a row? A loss. That would bring the Sox to 55-48, with 59 games left, mostly against teams they can't beat. Root for whatever you want because it doesn't matter, but this season is done. This might be the most pessimistic post on this board. "A 10 game win streak would suck."

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 12:54 AM) How do people hate on Shuck? He just goes out, hustles, and plays decent baseball. Because people expect 4th OFs to be All-Stars on this board.

Jose...

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Love all the libs getting their panties in a bunch abou this...Butch lies under oath...nothing to see here...God help this country...I want him to win just to watch all you guys piss and moan for 4 years.. You're a riot at parties, aren't you?

Denzel Valentine has some Paul Pierce in him

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 10:28 AM) Someone suggested Engel in CF and May moving to a corner outfield spot at the major league level.... Ok, my bad.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 10:21 AM) Mature analysis...might make you eligible to apply for a job in the Sox front office. To be fair, at this point if we ran the Baseball-Reference linker on your posts we'd multiply Soxtalk's traffic 10-fold

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 08:18 AM) They wont have Engel and May together on an "all in" 2017 roster....rebuilding move. Holy s*** all they did was promote a guy.

Well, f***.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 12:03 AM) Your understanding of all of this is so stunningly superficial, it's becoming embarrassing to read your drivel at this point. But keep going, because the facts will always beat out your weak attempts to deflect.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 03:30 PM) It'd be nice if Sale pitched like an ace for once.

Why are we mad at JR for being a successful businessman?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 04:12 PM) You will be unsurprised to hear that The Ringer NBA podcast can't see a team that makes more sense than the Celtics. To be fair, they do make the most sense.