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QUOTE (gosoxgo2005 @ Jul 11, 2016 -> 06:38 AM) Serious question, what happened on his caught stealing yesterday? AJ has never one time thrown out a runner by 30 feet like he threw out Anderson yesterday. Did he slip? Horrific jump? I didn't see the replay, just saw that he was so far from second when the 2B/SS (I forget which one) caught the ball that he had the time to turn around and try and get back to first. It was a really terrible jump, and he looked like he gave up on running hard a bit too early. He probably still would have been out if he went hard all the way, but it at least would have looked like a normal CS.

Quintana is a much bigger snub than Eaton. Especially considering the other pitchers that got in.

Phew

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 01:53 PM) Core Chris Sale - pre arb Jose Quintana - pre arb Addison Reed - pre arb Veterans worth their contract and worth something via trade Jake Peavy Alexei Ramirez Prospects in the top ~200 range Erik Johnson Courtney Hawkins Carlos Sanchez Dayan Viciedo was on quite a few All-Rookie team lists and was a productive player in 2012. I also guess that Trayce Thompson, Marcus Semien, Josh Phegley, Chris Bassitt, Micah Johnson, etc., weren't in the organization at the time. Hector Santiago has mysteriously disappeared as an asset to go along with Addison Reed. Tyler Flowers statistically is better than our current catching combo when defense is factored in, and for a cheaper price. Pitch framing/pitch calling strategies have slipped with Navarro, not to mention throwing out opposing baserunners. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White Sox roster now Core Chris Sale - Hahn locked up on a team friendly deal Jose Quintana - Hahn locked up on a team friendly deal Jose Abreu underperforming his career WAR from 2014/15 by 125-150 points, should be DH, in ideal world Adam Eaton - Hahn locked up on a team friendly deal Carlos Rodon is there a single poster here who would have picked anyone else with the 3rd pick? and still not close to All-Star status, work in progress Tim Anderson would feel a lot better if Hahn had anything to do with targeting him Avisail Garcia Matt Davidson Nate Jones Veterans worth their contract and worth something in a trade Todd Frazier (I would hope he's STILL worth the equivalent of Thompson/Montas +) Brett Lawrie Melky Cabrera James Shields (SURE!!! Get on the phone right now and see if someone will assume that $27 million) Prospects in the top ~200 range Zack Collins Carson Fulmer Spencer Adams (has gone from near the Top 100 to closer to 150-200) Zack Burdi Alec Hansen at some point, results/ability is trumped by performance....in 2012, this was the equivalent of Chris Beck Trey Michalczewski (really?) I can't believe I glossed over the part where you said Abreu was underperforming his previous WAR by 125-150 points, lmao.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) Ok, I don't do this often. DA and Caulfield, I recommend you guys both download League of Legends and fight 1 v 1.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 01:53 PM) Prospects in the top ~200 range Zack Collins Carson Fulmer Spencer Adams (has gone from near the Top 100 to closer to 150-200) Zack Burdi Alec Hansen at some point, results/ability is trumped by performance....in 2012, this was the equivalent of Chris Beck Trey Michalczewski (really?) So Alec Hansen is a bust already? Lol

Time for Rodon to become good.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 01:59 PM) This is hysterical. The guy who twice said he was leaving this site until KW and/or Ventura got fired, is now so upset the Sox have won 10 of 14 and are right back in the playoff hunt, he can't leave Rick Hahn alone. Now the organization was in good shape when Hahn became the GM. When it was the anti KW narrative, something totally different. Always need a scapegoat.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 11:10 AM) True. But they are "losing" trade value on guys like Robertson and maybe Melky if they are sellers and keep them for 2017. If we were out of it we could dangle Robertson for sure to a contender--almost all contenders need as many back-end arms as possible and overpay for them at the deadline. You're not worried about burning trade value if you're trying to compete. Balta's point is a good one -- unless we're in a position to make a serious run, we should probably try to shore up in the offseason and take another shot. If 2016 and 2017 both fail, I can definitely see a retool/rebuild in 2018.

The most meaningful get from that list is Lucroy. I don't how how teams feel about adding catchers midseason, though. Also, Fulmer is in any deal for Lucroy.

Super nice start for Anderson. I don't mean to be a downer, but he is going to HAVE to learn to take a walk. He's currently at a 0.9% walk rate against a 30.8% K rate, and those numbers are both very bad. Right now he's doing enough damage on contact that it works, but that's not going to last. Couple reasons: 1. The BABIP is going to fall. He's currently sitting at a robust .418. Even a guy with his wheels that hits the ball hard will rarely be able to sustain .350 or so. Pull 60 points off that and he's suddenly a .260-270 hitter with a .280 OBP. Also, he's currently slugging .519. I believe he's got pop, but even a .450 SLG would be a great outcome for his profile. 2. We've seen it a million times -- pitchers adjust to guys in year two, and for free swingers that usually means throwing a bunch more pitches out of the strikezone. Right now, Anderson does NOT look like a guy that does well with junk pitches (a la Vlad or even Abreu when he's on). He's swinging at bad pitches at an Avisal-ian rate of 44.3% (league average is 30.3%), but only making contact with those pitches 57.3% of the time (league average is 62.5%). I'm not ripping the guy -- I know he's a rookie with a ton of development ahead of him. But we should remember that that development IS still ahead, and we should steel ourselves for some bumps in the road. This current version of Tim Anderson is not the one that will go on to have a long, star-level career.

Benetti has been a touch corny, even for me, but I think he ABSOLUTELY makes Stone better. I like the move to Benetti. I respect what Hawk was, and enjoyed most of his career, but it's just time for it to be over. That's okay, it happens to everyone.

Oh good, this thread again.

EAT THE HAT

Yeah, this has been a disaster. Makes my excited catcher SoxNet article from the winter look dumb.

Literally every pitcher in this game has pitched like garbage. The bad ones and the good ones. Are you guys seriously still trying to blame this loss on the manager? Like I get being mad and frustrated, but not blaming the players for playing like s*** is baffling. Robin put righties against righties and lefties against lefties. Wtf else do you want him to do? It's the AL. Players have to execute.

Ok that was a f***ing strike

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) You wouldn't prefer to have Jennings, who hardly broke a sweat, stay in the game? Not against the right-handed Pedroia and Bogaerts.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 02:42 PM) what's your deal? He inserted Chris Beck into a high leverage situation. he does this repeatedly. It's playing with fire. It's also very unbecoming for a mod to troll like this imo. I'm not a mod. And this is hardly trolling. Also, you can't have the same guys pitch every single night. Otherwise we wouldn't even have Chris Beck on the team in the first place.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 02:41 PM) I like the RV bunt call for Bradley. Yeah, the pop-up was an underrated call for sure. A lot of managers would be content to go with "throw out the lead runner." He's subtle, man.

YEAH ROBIN! GOOD CALL!

Good call by Robin there, having him throw a sac fly instead of a grand slam. I would have called strikeout, though.

Great job by Robin there, having Abreu hit that three-run homer. Would have been easier, admittedly, if Robin just would have had Shields keep pitching well in the first place, though, so the homer wouldn't have been necessary. Oh well, guess he doesn't deserve to be fired today -- unless he makes Jones or Robertson blow the lead, of course.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 11:42 AM) This is fine and dandy, but bunting in certain situations makes sense for a team like the White Sox that has trouble scoring runs consistently. I don't necessarily agree with their philosophy either, but I'd rather play for one run than not score any at all. Pretty much the only time it actually increases the likelihood to score is when you're bunting a runner from second to third with no outs. That's also pretty much the only situation the Sox NEVER bunt in.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 17, 2016 -> 01:04 PM) That's awesome. Let us know how it goes. I'm basically at the point now where they are finally implementing serious shifts and new theories. Can' t believe this player in the league that homers like every at bat. So insane. Yeah, you'd think that would be impossible at ANY pro level, considering it doesn't even happen at college.