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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 03:37 PM) I imagine that the fans at the park are a little more interested in seeing the game than the ceremonies, but what do I know. If you're going to pick one, I would pick "try and play the game". I don't disagree, you just get so outraged by the littlest things.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 03:32 PM) what is going on with the game day staff at the park? They're just there to piss you off!

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 03:19 PM) what happened to the magic of Roger Bossard? Seriously, it seems like they keep f***ing this s*** up. Dude, relax. It is raining. What do you want them to do?

To be fair, the guy we traded for him went down with TJS, so....karma maybe?

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 12:39 PM) Looks like it gets real nasty around 5. So they may get at least 5 ip Looking at the forecast (I live nowhere near Chicago), I don't know why they are even bothering.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 12:33 PM) There shouldn't be much to be conflicted about. We should all want Quintana, Robertson, Jones, Frazier, & Melky to do well in order to maximize their trade value. That's more important than getting a high pick IMO. Having said that, there is more than enough filler on this roster to help pile up the losses. We're going to lose a ton of games started by Gonzalez, Shields, Holland, & Covey, because our offense & defense is simply not good enough to offset their below average production. We can thank the fringe major leaguers on the roster like Davidson, Asche, May, Navarez, & Avi for that. If even one of those guys can develop into something for us that's a win, but the likely outcome is they will all suck contribute to a high pick. And let's not forget that a lot of the young, legit prospects we call up will struggle at first. Growing pains will also help the cause. So my advice for everyone is not to worry much about wins &nlosses as things will work themselves out and the ultimate result should be positive for the rebuild. Now this is a post and thought process I can get behind.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 10:50 AM) Well, hopefully they get the game in and nobody gets hurt. Go Sox...pick to click...Asche--duh! According to the game notes... Jacob May will wear 32. Melky Cabrera changed to 44. Hah. I liked Melky's 53.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 08:47 AM) Tigers aren't much better: Mikie Mahtook® RF James McCann® C JaCoby Jones® CF Jose Iglesias® SS The Twins lineup is dreadful as well.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Apr 2, 2017 -> 07:42 PM) Yeah, I'm not gonna actively root for us to lose. I'm totally aware of the benefits it could reap, but I can't actively want it to happen. Same. Outwardly rooting for losses is fu**ing lame. I hope the Sox get off to a hot start, and even if they do, I won't expect the FO to change their direction, nor should they. But I never root for my teams to lose. If they end up with a top 5 pick, so be it, I know it's part of the process, but I'd prefer to see our young players take large steps forward and our veterans rake while they're here. One in the hand... I still don't think this team (with Rodon) is as bad as most here want them to be, but I guess we'll see soon enough.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 08:14 PM) Is there a television crew even there? MLBtv can't just decide to stream it if it's not even being filmed haha I suppose I figured it was being filmed. Far more meaningless ST games are filmed and televised. Was just hoping to watch the game tonight and surprised it's not on.

Why is this game not on MLB.TV?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 04:38 PM) LOL I was busy. Picking 7th or 8th would be a failure. More White Sox half measures. Hah, fantastic analysis! Picking in the top three would mean that a lot of things went wrong for the White Sox.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 02:57 PM) https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/847896793820135428 Maybe Monday's lineup too? Each reliever going to get an inning tonight? 8 relievers interested and Infante with the start.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 01:29 PM) Haha, I don't get this line of thinking. A tremendous failure? What would be a tremendous failure is the guys with trade value sucking. What would also be a failure is guys like Rodon and Anderson not making a step forward. Rodon, ya know, a top 3 pick (probably should have been #1)...the same thing you are praying for losses over. A failure would not finding ML regulars out of any of the fringe guys that will see playing time this year. A failure would be guys like Moncada, Giolito, and Lopez not having success at the major league level. Those are failure. The White Sox are not getting Seth Beer. Anything other than that is not a failure. The Sox need to develop their young talent and hope that some guys that are on the fringe turn into good ballplayers. That is what will make this season a success, and adding as much talent as possible from trades for Q, Frazier, Robertson, Jones, Jennings, Melky, Gonzales and Holland. We need those guys to be as good as possible for that to happen. These things will all require the Sox to not be terrible at baseball. That is far more important than picking 3rd instead of 8th or 9th. Paging Y2JIMMY....

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) Sure but who are you sacrificing off the roster? Asche is a minor league deal so could put him in AAA without losing him, I believe.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 02:09 PM) How much room did we need to create on the 40? Is there enough room to scoop someone up on waivers? It was at 38. Drop Liriano and Soto (pitcher), moves it to 36. Add Asche, Geo Soto (Catcher) and Swarzak should put it at 39.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 02:07 PM) Scott Merkin @scottmerkin now Rymer Liriano and Giovanni Soto cleared waivers and have been outrughted to Triple-A Charlotte That's good we didn't lose Liriano.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) If this team wins between 73-78 games the season was a tremendous failure. The whole reason to do this is to be really terrible. Haha, I don't get this line of thinking. A tremendous failure? What would be a tremendous failure is the guys with trade value sucking. What would also be a failure is guys like Rodon and Anderson not making a step forward. Rodon, ya know, a top 3 pick (probably should have been #1)...the same thing you are praying for losses over. A failure would not finding ML regulars out of any of the fringe guys that will see playing time this year. A failure would be guys like Moncada, Giolito, and Lopez not having success at the major league level. Those are failure. The White Sox are not getting Seth Beer. Anything other than that is not a failure. The Sox need to develop their young talent and hope that some guys that are on the fringe turn into good ballplayers. That is what will make this season a success, and adding as much talent as possible from trades for Q, Frazier, Robertson, Jones, Jennings, Melky, Gonzales and Holland. We need those guys to be as good as possible for that to happen. These things will all require the Sox to not be terrible at baseball. That is far more important than picking 3rd instead of 8th or 9th.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 11:53 AM) I used to feel this way, but I now believe this team will simply suck. The rotation is going to be a mess, the defense will be below average at best, and there are several significant holes in the lineup. And once we trade guys like Quintana, Frazier, Melky, Jones, & Robertson things will only get worse. This team is not going to win 70+ games unless they get incredibly lucky or have some unforeseen breakthrough performances. I think the infield defense will be better than last year. Catching will be better. CF defense will be much better. Melky is Melky in LF. RF is a big downgrade, but I expect Avi will DH his fair share (Melky too). I don't think the defense will be THAT bad, at least initially. Pitching? Meh. Bullpen is fine to pretty solid. Q and Rodon are just fine as 1 and 2. I think Gonzalez is fine as a #5. Shields will be better, but not good. I think Holland will be a fine #4. Basically we have a #1, and #3 (with the chance to be a #1 as well), and three #4/#5 types. You have contract years from both Melky and Frazier. I expect both to be pretty solid, and Frazier to be much better than last year. They should both be motivated. Abreu was awful in the first half last year - I expect him to be much better. I am excited to see Saladino out there most days and think at worst he is a 1 WAR player. Managing will be better. I think the team may have a bit of a chip on its shoulder with how bad everyone thinks they will be. Really only subtracted 2 players off last years team, and while they were both very good, one only impacted 20% of the games, and both were questionable clubhouse guys (I admittedly loved them both). I just don't think this team is that bad. I don't think they're going to compete for the division or anything, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see they get off to a decent start. I know I for one will be rooting for wins and hoping for good performances for all team members until its obvious that they suck. I just can't root for my team to lose. The chances of us getting Seth Beer are minimal.

I think they'll win in the low 70s, but I actually think this team will be with 5 games of .500 in early June. I don't think we're anywhere near as bad as some people around here think/want us to be. That said, once Melky is given away, and Frazier is traded for whatever we can get, and Robertson and perhaps Jones are moved, and fringe guys like Gonzalez, Holland and Soto are moved, this team is going to be bad. Which I think will result in something in the high 60s, low 70s wins, and somewhere between the 5th and 10th pick.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 10:38 AM) Frazier and I assume he meant Melky aren't going to bring back big returns. Robertson has a chance to bring something useful back. Melky, completely agree. Frazier, if he has a good first half, will definitely be able to get something useful.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 10:29 AM) Counter point: The youngsters start coming up and the huge FA class hits. Quintana leads your staff of Q, Rodon and any three of Giolito/Lopez/Fulmer and possibly even Kopech or Hansen. Suddenly you might even be able to flip some of the young pitching. Q is definitely a leader in the clubhouse and could easily fill this team's Lester role. I think the upcoming draft, Robert and returns for Frazier/Nelly/Robertson will ultimately decide Q's fate if no team blows them away. I think our best trade chip other than Q is Jones. He could get us a nice package this summer.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 08:25 AM) I wonder if all these guys playing well would lead to Kenny changing to a buyer. That CANNOT happen. Full rebuild. Doubt it. It would mean we could potentially trade them for something better than organizational filler in June and July. The Sox also play the god awful Twins 6 of the first 12 games. Would be surprised to see them put up a decent record over the first few weeks.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 08:17 AM) I agree that it isn't a big deal but IMO, it is probably a waste of time and money. What bothers me is that they need a LH bat to DH and Davidson takes up that last roster spot. Asche will platoon with Davidson. Both will likely be gone by June, but ya never know. It is certainly not a waste of money? It would, however, be a waste of potential resources to let Davidson walk for free, when you may as well give him a couple months worth of at bats and see what you have. Time? The Sox have all the time in the world.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 05:48 PM) I think taking Davidson was a mistake, but time will tell. I'll be happy to admit I am wrong if he starts raking againsy RH pitchers and cuts down on his strike-outs. Meanwhile, we could have used Delmonico's LH bat at DH. Asche in RF and Demonico at DH (and eventually Moncada at 2nd Base) would add to other LH hitters in the line-up, (Melky, May, Narvaez) - six guys who can hit LH and at least a few of them with power. How is it a mistake? If he sucks, they DFA him and bring up Delmonico, or whoever else deserves.