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QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 02:17 PM) What would you really expect in return for Yolmer? At best I think it would be a prayer on a "Coop'll fix 'em" type relief pitcher. Can't see it being anything significant in return. Sucks Luery got hurt for so long. He would have been the guy to cash in on in my opinion. I see no point in moving Yolmer if you don't get a couple pretty interesting lower level guys.

Eloy is a better prospect than Tucker, so it all worked out in the end.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 09:01 AM) We're going to have big problems if we can't find five starters between the following 12 guys: Giolito Lopez Fulmer Kopech Adams Guerrero Stephens Hansen Dunning Flores Clarkin Cease And we may only need four starters depending on if they view Rodon as a long-term piece. Seriously, though. We're in fabulous shape in the pitching department. Worst case scenario we can fill in the gaps with FAs. We'll certainly have plenty of $$ to do so.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:38 PM) If Robertson fetches you a back end top 100, then you don't end up with Rutherford. I personally would rather have one top 25 or 50 than two top 100's near the end of the list. The combined value of Robertson and Kahnle got him. The Sox couldn't get him with just Kahnle and absolutely had no shot with just Robertson. Of course it would have been nice to get more but it's not a bad deal by any means. Perhaps. But I think Kahnle should get you Rutherford, who is probably more in the 60-75 range with his showing this year. The upside is definitely there. I don't hate this deal. Just think someone like Florial instead of Tito at the back would have been more appropriate.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:08 PM) Correa is not out for long enough to make that reasonable, especially when their replacement SS, Marwin Gonzalez, has massively outhit Abreu. Reasonable? Marwin Gonzalez is not a SS, though he can play there. They need a DH next year. Abreu is a huge upgrade on Beltran. There is definitely a fit there. Not saying the Astros are interested, but its not all that far fetched to think that they would be.

QUOTE (TRU @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 07:33 PM) But why? Frazier had no real value, Robertson is not a dominant closer and is still owed a lot of money. Kahnle is the only one of those guys that was worth anything, but he certainly wasn't worth 2 Top 100 guys. Most insider types felt Robertson could fetch a backend top 100 type. Add Florial or Sheffield to the deal (Sox kick in a few million as well) and it is much more palatable.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 08:57 PM) Gurriel has not been as good as Abreu this season at 1b for the Stros, but he hasn't been bad. 0.8 fWAR for Gurriel versus 1.6 fWAR for Abreu. And they have no DH spot open as Beltran is being paid for that job. Abreu would be an upgrade there, but they're not benching their expensive DH. They aren't giving up Tucker or Martes for those upgrades. They need starting pitching help, but they'll convince themselves they don't once Keuchel gets back. Then someone else will get hurt in a few weeks and they'll convince themselves they can get through that, and it'll bite them in the a** come playoff time. Bregman SS, Gurriel 3B, Abreu 1B

I'd definitely move him if there are strong offers. A little difficult to imagine there being a market that would pay the price, however. Would certainly improve the 17 and 18 tanking efforts. I'd love to get Reed from the Stros as the second piece. But can't even think who else we'd want with him. We aren't getting Tucker or Martes and don't have a ton of interest in other guys. Not sure I'd love a Fischer + Reed package, but that might be a realistic offer. Rockies are interesting.

Eat the majority of the ~6M he is due and see what the best offer is.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:27 AM) Disappointed that we didn't get a better prospect than Polo or an additional lottery ticket piece, but getting Rutherford was huge. I'd rather get a guy like him than 2 B prospects. I understand some of the angst here, but I do think the market is tougher on relievers this year (just look at the Nationals trade) for whatever reason. Yah, but I'd take Luzardo over anyone not named Rutherford in our deal. The trade is fine. I'm not super excited about it, but not mad either. Add Florial or Sheffield or even Tate and I like it a lot more. I feel like moving Kahnle in a deal without the other two should have returned more overall, but seems that wasn't the case.

Isn't the roster still a man short? Yoan for Frazier, Goldberg for Kahnle. Who is taking D Robs spot? Edit: forgot about Clippard for a sec.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:25 AM) The Eaton trade was perfect. They got three arms that all figure to have ML success, all with wide open potential to be all star caliber, for an injury prone good-not-great OF that despite some nice plays and good OBP still never OPS'd over .800 in a Sox uniform. The Quintana trade was really nice too. They settled on the Sale trade when they probably didn't need to. If Moncada is Robinson Cano nobody cares, though. Good post. I agree with most of it. But Adam Eaton is really really good; much better than a good OF. His contract makes him an incredible asset, injury be damned. But I agree - it was probably the best trade. That being said, I think the Sox expected more out of Basabe this year. There was a a lot of chatter about him being a top 50ish prospect by 2018. That obviously isn't going to happen.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 03:09 PM) Speculation that the White Sox could be getting Groome and Chavis from Boston, for Frazier and Kahnle is a pipe dream. As you all know, the young southpaw is Boston's #2 prospect, according to MLB Pipeline, and #34 overall. Hahn has proven to be an able negotiator, but I think that is just not realistic. Ehhh. Its a steep ask, but Kahnle's inclusion is going to warrant a real return. I don't think its totally unrealistic, but definitely wouldn't be Boston's first choice.

I'd be shocked if we took anything to do w Panda.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) Agreed on this point. Anyone who looks @ his (or any other Charlotte farmhand) is short changing their own analysis of a player if they don't also look @ the player's splits. In Moncada's case, his vs. LHP splits and his away splits both show that he's not yet ready. Bring up Delmonico instead. If he fails, no big deal. But if Moncada fails, this rebuild could stall entirely, IMO. Yep

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) Mid next year seems a bit extreme unless they decide to pull him off 2b. Maybe a bit, but let's be honest, he's been good not great in AAA. He hasn't exactly forced he organizations hand.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) Main reason is I have tickets Tuesday so it'd be nice. Haha, fair enough. But I'd honestly keep him there until mid next year unless a need presents itself. Let's save his service time while we do this tank the right way. I don't really want to see him in Chicago this season at this point.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 10:31 AM) You know Boston is only team that has/will express interest and you want to create an opening for Moncada I see very little reason to bring Moncada up right now.

Very little Diaz love in this thread. It's been a rough year for him so far but the guy has a heck of an arm and will be a backend of the bullpen guy in a couple years.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 09:21 PM) It was a reply to rosenthal so you may not have seen it. Said "are you gonna break Frazier to Boston?" Or something. Ahh I see, thanks.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 09:24 PM) On the other hand has raBBit ever lied to us? What did he say?

What did Rabbit say on twitter about Frazier getting moved? I don't see anything.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 06:45 PM) Pretty sure it works when you get sent down after spring training. AKA you get optioned to AAA once you are on the 40 man roster. Correct

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 10:51 AM) I'm like 80% sure he was talking about Sandoval. If he was, our payroll is going to be so low next 2 years, I would strongly consider it if the Red Sox would send a few prospects to make it worth our while. Yah, could be. Dangerous game to play there. But I suppose a Panda + Groome + 20M for Frazier may be of interest to the Sox, but doubt the Red Sox are interested in giving up Groome to save $30M over the next 2.5 years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 10:43 AM) A part of me wonders if the White Sox were willing to pick up a chunk of his money, what kind of player Boston would be willing to send us to do it. The Sox should be willing to eat nearly all of Frazier's bill to improve the return.