Lip Man 1

Loath this Manfred rule.

Blame it on the idiot commissioner who hates the game. Why they don't do it like in japan, after a certain number of innings the game is a tie, is beyond me.

Once again like the Pirates game Sunday, in the first inning tonight and then again in the 10th inning, they have a runner on third base, less than two out and can't get him home. Then a throwing error wins the game for the Twins. Fundamentals win or lose games are the Sox are absolutely brutal at them and have been for years regardless of who the manager is. Either the coaching staffs can't teach it properly or the players are to "baseball stupid" to learn it. I'm guessing it is probably a combination of both.

The "good" news (I guess) is that if what you say happens Sox fans will at least know early, the season is probably toast and can tune them out.

Can't wait to read Rick's comments on things before the start of the homestand Friday when he meets the media. ?

Among many other issues in the front office. Including in-fighting.

Good organizations would have fired Hahn a long time ago for only two winning seasons in 10 years but these are the White Sox. (And keep in mind they weren't always trying to tank, he couldn't even put together a winning season when they were trying to win.)

With guys already getting hurt this has become basically a spring training team.

It means Hahn may trade anything and everyone in a desperate effort to 'save" the season/rebuild. Short term thinking. Given JR's age I can easily see him doing that if for no other reason to have something on his resume for when new ownership arrives and he is fired.

No...this is the new normal for this organization.

Frustrating because Grifol said when this first cropped up it was probably caused by all the very long, halfway round the world flights for Cuba in the WBC.

Correct bounced off the wall and rebounded back towards the infield.

The day just keeps getting better and better and better. Only in the world of the White Sox.

April 11, 1917 - The World Championship season began in St. Louis where the Sox battered the Browns 7-2. Jim Scott picked up the win tossing six innings of relief work for Claude ‘‘Lefty’’ Williams. He gave up just four hits and a run. George “Buck” Weaver drove in three runs for the Sox on the day. Just slightly over six months later, after winning 100 games in the regular season, the Sox would win the World Series, four games to two, over John McGraw and the New York Giants. April 11, 1969 - The White Sox initiated Major League Baseball to Seattle and the Pacific Northwest. They were the first home opponent for the expansion Seattle Pilots. The Sox promptly rolled over and died to the new team 7-0 getting shut out by future Sox pitcher Gary Bell who went the distance. Bell would be traded to the Sox that June! That afternoon the Sox would get nine hits but strand 14 baserunners. April 11, 1982 - When the great blizzard hit the Midwest and forced cancellation of a number of games, the Sox had to open on the road the following week... in New York... with a double header. No problem, as the franchise which had already won a regularly scheduled opening day twin bill in 1971, put the wood to the Yankees winning 7-6 in 12 innings and then 2-0. It was the start of an eight-game winning streak to open the 1982 campaign, the best start to a season in franchise history. They beat the Yankees twice, Boston three times and the Orioles three times. April 11, 2000 - For a man with not a lot of speed he got around the bases fast enough this time! Paul Konerko hit an inside the park home run against Tampa Bay. It came in the first inning off Esteban Yan and drove in two runs as Magglio Ordonez scored ahead of him. The Sox won 13-6. April 11, 2011 - Sox utility player Brent Lillibridge belted the franchise’s 10,000th home run when he took a fast ball from Oakland’s Dallas Braden and hit it out of U.S. Cellular Field. It came in the fifth inning of a game the Sox eventually lost 2-1 in 10 innings. Lillibridge hit a career high 13 home runs that season.

Guessing then he has to go on a rehab assignment. As far as the premise in this thread, should this come to pass the Sox will again be between a rock and a hard place. I don't see how they could justify another 'rebuild' to a fan base already angry and frustrated. Many of those fans might just turn apathetic and not give a damn anymore. Plus the fan base doesn't trust current folks in the front office to get it right anyway. Now if JR appears and basically says he's fired the baseball side of the front office, Sox fans may be willing to give the team the benefit of the doubt. (But can anyone honestly see JR doing that?) My guess is that if the Sox have any type of chance, Hahn empties out the farm in a desperate gamble to save things. As has been pointed out admitting the rebuild didn't work is akin to the front office saying they screwed up and their ego's won't permit that.

More than likely or else have to keep taking time off every five/six games because of his back.

Given their history it's hard to think something like this wouldn't happen sooner or later. Yet the front office's off season plan was basically to 'hope" things would work out. The scary thing is Hahn again has a perfect excuse for when (if?) things go right down the toilet and won't be held accountable again.

Like I said new ownership is desperately needed to change everything including karma.

If you believe in such things it's like the baseball gods are saying until you get new ownership we're going to keep dumping all over you.

To me a "minor" injury isn't two to four weeks, that's serious... because then he has to go on a rehab assignment which makes it longer.

“Moncada has had this nagging thing for a little bit,” Grifol said. “But 10 games [into the season], we’re going to err on the side of caution. If they miss a couple of games, they miss a couple of games.” A couple games...that's fine. But if it turns into weeks or a constant nagging issue? That's another story.

Can't argue with you there, the lack of depth/talent at all levels is astonishing.

Twins also aren't in the middle of a supposed "contention window" either after going through a painful rebuild.

Maybe because the other options were either untried or not good?

Not saying it was TA's fault... that was an totally inept sequence by the Sox, but the end result is he's hurt again and more than likely is going to miss time which has happened to him multiple times over the past few seasons sometimes landing on the IL more than once in a year.