Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 06:05 PM) While it could work out perfectly, the problem with it is at the deadline, there will be limited suitors, and at this time you don't know who they may be. Someone will want him for sure, but you can't be positive of a prospect upgrade. The Yankees might want him now, but might have to use their resources on another position. I don't know if that really is a calculated risk. It seems a bit risky. They'll probably use guys like Frazier and Adams on pitching as they probably should.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 05:29 PM) I guess I'm the only one that thought the Santana deal was pretty team friendly. It's about what he was projected to get. I like the deal. He's a good player.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 04:26 PM) Ok, i f***ing love Black Mirror I think it's time for me to jump on this train.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 04:23 PM) Has anyone actually said this? People from KC apparently http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=104407 Edit: I'm sorry, I meant the "baseball world."

I hope he goes to the Cardinals. They just make sense. And I want them to better just for the Cubs' sake.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 04:07 PM) WE have no idea if Michael Kay is doing anything except just assuming he wants to be a yankee because all yankees people think everyone wants to be a yankee. Also true.

Second round pick moves up a spot due to the Phillies signing Santana FWIW

I'm going to start turning my hope to Nolan Arenado just in case lol (if the Yankee stuff is actually legit)

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 03:04 PM) Just wonder how they would fit him in. That payroll is going to be even more ridiculous in a couple of years. They're going to be playing a lot of young near minimum paid players. Also helps the luxury tax threshold jumps up like $10mill between 18 and 19. If they can get someone to take on at least half that Ellsbury contract, it doesn't look impossible: https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NY...contracts.shtml

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 02:52 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...1214-story.html Thanks. Edit: since this was posted, hasn't everyone been saying the offer isn't that great?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 02:46 PM) I am just saying that it doesn't improve their odds, and if you follow White Sox history, does indicate, they really aren't committed to being the highest bidder, which, for Manny Machado, is the death knell to their chances. And, everyone tries to qualify that, well as long as they don't give up much...that isn't going to happen either. So moving on would be deleting the entire thread. I read most of the "experts" out there, many who know Machado, many who know more MLB players than me, and the vast majority of them don't get it either. But Rick Hahn said it, and he currently is on a shrine, so it must be true. If the White Sox do make the trade and give up an impressive package as Gonzalez wrote, and Machado leaves with the Sox getting nothing, someone should be held accountable. Would you agree with that? Can you direct me to this? The only thing I've seen the past day is that the package isn't that great.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 02:38 PM) Until this came up, I have never read one post on this board discussing the advantages of trading prospects for prospective free agents to better position you to sign them in a year. Not when the Sox were trying to win, when it would at least make a little sense, and certainly not during a rebuild and a season where they aren't going to win. Because of the news connecting the Sox to Machado. No one really thought about it until it became a realistic possibility (Sox trading for Machado that is). It's pretty much just figuring out why.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 02:20 PM) I think Nate Jones will close. Until he gets hurt at least. Pretty much the one thing we can guarantee about any player on the team next year.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 01:09 PM) It also increases the cost of an Abreu extension. The deal is very similar to the Edwin deal.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 01:08 PM) What were the market dynamics at that time? Who else was involved in the bidding? How much extra did the Mariners have to offer? Found an article that the Yankees highest offer was 7/8 years at $175 mill and he signed for 10 years $240 mill. https://nypost.com/2013/12/12/robinson-cano...-seattle-intro/

Angels sign Zack Cozart. Should have done that before the Kinsler move and had him play 2B.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:31 PM) Jon Heyman @JonHeyman Sources: phillies agree to deal with Carlos Santana Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now Source confirms: Carlos Santana in agreement with #Phillies, three years, $60M. First reported: @JonHeyman. Glad a team that could be interested in Abreu didn't sign him (Red Sox, Cardinals, Rockies, other?). Hopefully Hosmer signs with the Padres as rumored.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:31 PM) I'm much more ok with that example. For sure. But Cano also might be a relevant example in another 3-4 years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:27 PM) Robinson Cano has actually outplayed his contract so far with the Mariners. He's been worth more than what he's being paid. That could turn around in the next few seasons, but so far that's not the issue. The issue was that the team signing him wasn't competitive with him, and convinced themselves they could be incorrectly. I was just referring to if we're going to be a team that spends that kind of money on a player, I'd gladly spend it on someone who won't be up 30s/40 when it's at the end. I just used Cano as an example. Pujols is another one.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) Yes, I have noticed the teams that pay the most money sign the most and best free agents. Eventually, the Sox need to be one of those teams. And I would hope it would be on a player that is a 26 year old free agent than one that is at least 30 likes the M's did with Cano.

I have so much on my plate at work right now but it's so hard not to check this site.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) If you're locking him up for 10 years 300+ million there's no opt out. It would probably be a dealbreaker for me. Having an opt out at say 28 would be brutal. He'd almost assuredly take it and would leave the Sox holding all the downside risk on the deal and none of the upside. These opt outs are poison pills. There's no way they'd sign him then. Yankees love giving out those opt-outs. I wouldn't mind giving him one after his 4th and/or 5th year (which would be after his age 30/31 seasons).

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 11:20 AM) Left out of a ton of this conversation is whether it is a good idea for the White Sox franchise to pursue a free agent like Machado, who is predicted to end up with a $300-400 million contract over 10+ years. We all would love to have Machado, but I really wonder if it is in the club's best interest to sign a player to mega money for 10+ years, full NTC, multiple opt outs, etc. It looks like a great idea now, but paying a player $30-40 million when he is over ago 30 might not look so good. Thoughts? I have a lot more interest in signing a 26-year old star at 10 years as opposed to the 30/31-year old stars at 10 yeras (Pujols, Cano...I'm looking at you).

All I can say is Orioles really f***ed up by extending Davis lol should have thrown money at Machado like 2-3 years ago.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 11:10 AM) I think the Dodgers would be more inclined to go after Harper. Didn't you hear that he's already signing with the Cubs because he's friend with Bryant, owns a Bulls hat, and has a dog named Wrigley?/green