Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 19, 2016 -> 08:57 AM) I agree, but I base that more on his choice than no one else willing to give him a chance. I lean towards no one else willing to give him a chance but we shall see after this season.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 19, 2016 -> 08:45 AM) They had it sufficiently blown up 3 years ago, then Hahn doubled the core from 2 to 4; but with a core of 4, Hahn starting trading for rents and other veterans that had reached their peak, as the Sox are want to do. Rebuilding is an art, and Hahn doesn't have it. I'd like to see the scouting reports that excused-away a)Frazier's dismal 2nd half last year and b)Shields' last few starts before acquiring him. And the Sox field staff has little interest or patience for development. Cooper only wants "his guys". Ventura won't platoon, he won't move players around. What needs to be blown up is the management. I'm ok getting rid of all the coaches including Cooper (except Herm Schneider. Seems to be the only one doing his job really well). Literally every team turns around a dud's career every now and then and the durability of Sale and Quintana could be because of Herm Schneider as well.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 19, 2016 -> 08:40 AM) I wouldn't be shocked if he receives an offer from a team. But I would be more surprised if he doesn't just retire as a footnote in Sox managerial history. I doubt he ever manages in the MLB again.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 19, 2016 -> 08:11 AM) 2012 was a surprise. They were not good in 2011 and brought back almost the same team minus Buehrle,I believe they set a record for rookie pitchers used, and faded down the stretch as guys like Sale ran out of gas, Pulie injuring his wrist,and Youkilis being banged up, 2013 thyey had hoped to build on it but it went south quickly. The Tyler Fowers era wasn't going as well as some predicted. They did exactly what you want them to do know, and blew it up. They goy Avi, who people were just as excited about then, as they are pissed off Trayce Thompson isn't here now. 2014 rebuilding year, didn't stop game threads from thinking they should be 145-17 at worst. The bottom line is whether they say they are trying to win or not, how much does it really matter? Would the team be so much better set for the long haul with Thompson and Semien still aoumd? I don't think so. White Sox fans are the only fans I know who think the team is doing them a favor if they don't try to win. The whole "trying to win" is going smoothly. Although I do think: "wtf might as well go for it" right now. I give trying to compete up through June of next year. At that point, restock the farm and deal anyone who will give you an infusion of young talent. But before that, I want coaching staff and front office gutted.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jun 19, 2016 -> 07:43 AM) The thing is, in 2013 they were actually put together to compete for the division. Don't you remember he amazing Keppinger signing and retaining Peavy? The problem was, they were bad and had a manager in over his head. It wasn't until the trade deadline in 2013 that they sold off assets to bring in a few prospects (Avi and Montas). Yeah they signed Abreu in early 2014 and made trades for Eaton and Davidson but were they truly rebuilding? Looking back on it, it was nothing but a roster shake up for a few younger guys. In 2014, fans did not b**** about losing as we knew the mission was to continue to add younger pieces. The problem was 2015-- instead of staying the course, rebuild the farm and continue to add younger guys-- they decided to go for it! They sacrificed 1st and 2nd round draft picks and we all know how 2015 went-- disaster! So let's look back on everything: 2012- Supposed to compete for the division and do until collapse in September 2013- Supposed to compete for division-- end up being horrible--sell off assets at deadline 2014- A growing year for the new guys- focus on draft 2015- Risk draft picks to sign free agents and go for it prematurely which consequently set the team back and they were a complete disappointment (The Fire Robin chants begin) Decide NOT to trade assets at deadline-- total misjudgment by Hahn/KW 2016- Go for it again-- trade a talented outfielder in Thompson and a few others for Frazier and attempt to catch lightning in a bottle with guys like Rollins and Latos and being in mediocre younger guys like Lawrie and Jackson to put bandaids on a team with numerous holes. It worked in April and some of May, but now it's blowing up in their faces. This team is not good. And now we have even less talent in the farm. Let's not forget all the DFA's and the Shields deal which has been a complete disaster. Looking at the patterns of Hahn and KW, it's pretty disturbing seeing all the sidetracks they go on. To let's go for it, to adding young talent, to trading young talent to go for it again to not doing anything. The lack of a true direction is mind boggling. IMO they all need to go. Robin, Kenny and Hahn. They have failed to let together a team and system that can maintain sustainable success. The statement Hahn mentioned numerous times back in 2013 and '14 when the plan was to restock the team and system with younger talented players. They also didn't have many good pieces to deal unlike now and didn't bring in that much good young talent. When we made the deals in the 2013 season, I don't know if anyone really got excited for what we brought back (other than Avi Garcia). The others kinda felt like depth pieces (Jacobs, Wendelken, couple guys we got for Crain). Edit: besides Adam Eaton

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 19, 2016 -> 02:29 AM) Here's me being stoopid Chris Sale to Washington for Gialato, Turner, and Wilmer Difo Quintana to Boston for Moncada and Beniniti Abreu to Texas for Dillion Tate Melky Cabrea to Seattle for Edwin Diaz Todd Fraizer to the Mets for Dominic Smith and Marcos Molina 2016 and 2017 we tank which results in some more high draft pick years to further ad to the farm. 2019 looks like this: 1SP - Jose Fernandez ( FA ) / Rodon 2SP - Gialato / Rodon 3SP - Tate 4SP - Fulmer 5SP - Adams, Diaz, Burdi, or Molina ( some in pen ) SS - Anderson CF - Beniniti 1B - Moncada RF - Adam Jones ( FA ) DH - Collins 3B - Turner LF - Eaton C - Wilson Ramos ( FA ) 2B - Difo Bullpen: Put one together, f***ers. Yeah would definitely deal Robertson and probably Rodon too if he develops into an ace over that time (Boras client: would want a lot money; sell high).

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 07:16 PM) Lincecum's line today: 6 IP, 4 hits, 1 ER, 2 BB's, 2 K's For 1/5th or 1/6th of the price of Shields. Much better for marketing purposes as well. Wanted him when he was out there for nothing but money this season only. Oh well.

If Hahn goes, I want KW to go with him.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) Tomorrow at 7 I believe Thanks!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 17, 2016 -> 10:21 AM) His very first batter he struck out a guy on an unhittable pitch with great movement. Then it all fell apart. Lol yeah. I was like wow nasty 2-seamer to Revere to start the game. Ended up turning off the game in the first inning lol

Anyone know when Miami plays and what channels? I want to tune in for some of Collins at bats.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 16, 2016 -> 11:05 PM) You actually read his posts? Nope. I see his posts and see how long they are that there is no way his keyboards can survive.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 16, 2016 -> 05:04 PM) And, if the MAIN culprit is the offense, then you'd think Steverson would be more under the gun. But the accumulation of slides in 2012, slow start to 2015, collapse after 23-10 start in 2016 and poor fundamentals/defense/execution/general sloppiness in 2013 and 2014 have basically forced the issues. It's not just bullpen management or line-ups or any one particular thing, it's just the general lack of results and inconsistency. However, if the entire team starts to fall apart because of Austin Jackson no longer patrolling CF, then more of the blame has to be on Rick Hahn because of the lack of internal depth to fill the majority of positions on the diamond...which forced him into adding James Shields, has caused something of a bullpen merry-go-round and has still left the Avi Garcia/DH/RF issue unresolved at least a year later than everyone declared it to be an obvious issue. It shouldn't be THAT hard to find, at the very least, a relatively cheap way to cobble together a couple of platoon hitters like a Pearce or Raburn in order to confidently trot out a 775-800 OPS out of that DH spot. Finally, in what has become an "all in" season again, having Ian Desmond's numbers at SS or LF/CF/RF/DH would have the White Sox in first place or darned close to it. And the draft pick would simply have been deferred one year. The price tag went from $8 million this March to what is likely to be closer to the $107 million he turned down from the Nationals 18 months ago. As usual, the blame goes around to Ventura, Hahn, JR, Steverson and KW...assessing a percentage of blame is impossible, it's "soft math" for saber guys so it remains an area without any emerging consensus. (Things are still much better than idiotic Pythagorean wins and losses, though.) Don Cooper continues to have lifetime tenure, for good or bad. Did you break your keyboard with this post?

3+ years of control. He is the type of guy you trade prospects for (not necessarily him per se, but someone with that kind of team control).

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 16, 2016 -> 11:18 AM) If we are to compete this year, and we are only 2 1/2 games off the Central lead, or in the future you need pitching. You don't trade one or both of the two best starting lefty starting pitchers on the team and arguably in baseball. All you do is weaken the team And I didn't say to do it it. I said if they decided to go that route. But Jerry came out and said they are going to try to compete anyway (key word being "try").

Every day I keep seeing articles about how the Red Sox are searching for pitching. It'd be so tempting to dangle either Sale or Q in front of them to see how desperate of an offer they would make if we decided to trade an arm.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 16, 2016 -> 07:24 AM) HUH???? Baseball 101. Robin would not be showcasing him , Hahn would. If he is being played to showcase, that decision is made at the GM level If he's being showcased as many on here suggest, interested team can't be impressed.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 15, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) Bruce Levine ‏@MLBBruceLevine 4m4 minutes ago R Ventura cut short media session when second guessed about handling Miguel Gonzales and if Avi Garcia takes fly balls .same guy asked both Lol Awesome lol

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 15, 2016 -> 12:02 AM) Sign him up for what? lol Sunday beer league team.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 09:58 PM) In what way? Big and Hispanic. About it.

I'm so glad they're saying his name correctly. Hearing "ya-know-uh" would start to get cringeworthy.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 09:49 PM) Shuck should be playing RF until Ajax returns (or until we trade for a better option) and Avi should be DHing. Yeah, I know that it's frustrating seeing Shuck and Coats in the lineup so often, but that's what happens when injuries occur and your GM has traded away your only ML-ready young outfielder. DHing Saladino is the last thing that the Sox should be doing. Rotating infield idea then.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 09:46 PM) Well frankly I was gonna ask for him to replace Lawrie at 2B but I figured I'd get fried on here. There's nowhere else for Saladino since we got Anderson now. f*** it. Rotating infield. Saladino get a day off then gets a start at every infield position while player he replaces gets a break and DH's and then give Saladino a day off after 4 games. Rinse. Repeat.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 09:42 PM) There is no freaking way that Saladino should DH. Even if he weren't our only infield defensive sub, his .649 OPS should immediately disqualify him. You would rather see Coats and Shuck get every day at bats? Unfortunately those are the only other 2 options currently. We'd all rather they make a trade for someone else but it's obviously not happening when we want it to.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 09:38 PM) Plus Saladino vis your only infield sub You can call someone else up like Garcia or Sanchez? It's not really impossible. Sure, today he may be but it doesn't mean he has to be all the time.