I'm only not going to rage about this if they decide to sell this offseason and 2017 becomes a punt-year anyway. Then it doesn't matter WHO the sacrificial lamb is.

This FO is f*****. Just more confirmation that I trust nothing they do,ESPECIALLY a rebuild. Might have to skip out on baseball for a while, this FO is killing the team I love.

The title for 5th most popular pro sports team in town might be up for grabs soon.

I'm only not going to rage about this if they decide to sell this offseason and 2017 becomes a punt-year anyway. Then it doesn't matter WHO the sacrificial lamb is.

 

I have high doubts about them selling.

What about all the reports that Renteria was offered the job midseason but respected RV too much to take it?

Does the Sox brass live in a different reality than we do because I've seen 4 years of bad baseball and nothing has really improved one season to the next. The Sox are just as bad as they were in 2011.

Scot Gregor thinks Robin will decline. Maybe this is a planned offer to come back for a year, he declines, and that's that. Everybody knows this should be a clean break.

 

Spiegel seems to agree

Does the Sox brass live in a different reality than we do because I've seen 4 years of bad baseball and nothing has really improved one season to the next. The Sox are just as bad as they were in 2011.

 

Of course they do, they thought Shields could actually succeed here

Even though I said this may be a nice way for robin to go out from sox, they could have easily done it without a press leak. Really dumb.

Even though I said this may be a nice way for robin to go out from sox, they could have easily done it without a press leak. Really dumb.

 

It's like Jerry wants to protect his brand of loyalty publicly, completely ignoring that this announcement can alienate the fanbase.

Are the players really attached to Robin Ventura or something?

Even though I said this may be a nice way for robin to go out from sox, they could have easily done it without a press leak. Really dumb.

 

Yeah literally zero point to do it this way.

Are the players really attached to Robin Ventura or something?

 

I don't think Sale is based on his comments after the incident. Guess I probably have to clarify: the jersey slashing incident.

On the field, I have read that even the best managers equate to 2-3 more wins. I think off the field is where Maddon is a genius, as he completely turned the culture of that team around.

Switch rosters and let's see who the idiot is.

So they can't let him go (not even fire him since his contract expires), instead they want to give him a "out of respect" contract offer to decline while 99% of your fanbase is wanting him out? I'm not sure whether they're that smart

to even do that. I think the offer is genuine.

Switch rosters and let's see who the idiot is.

Ugh, no one is arguing that managers have more of an impact than players. People are just stating that managers have some impact and that the team could improve some with a better manager. There's no doubt in my mind this team is better with Maddon, whether that's one game or four.

Joe Maddon could be managing this squad and they would have finished in 4th place.

 

Some people want the Sox to hire Dave Martinez. If Dave Martinez was managing the 2016 White Sox and Robin Ventura was sitting next to Joe Maddon, how different would their records be than they are now?

 

I just think since his contract is up it would be a time to try something new. I do like the fact they aren't pinning the losing on him. That should be refreshing.

 

The fact is, if the players don't change, whoever manages this team will eventually be an idiot.

 

I really don't agree with your opening statement.

 

Anyone who has ever been around or is a strong leader knows how big a difference it can make.

 

I'm not blaming Robin for everything by a long shot... but bringing him back makes zero sense and is just incompetence.

 

Does the Sox brass live in a different reality than we do because I've seen 4 years of bad baseball and nothing has really improved one season to the next. The Sox are just as bad as they were in 2011.

What is the reality? Is this a playoff team with the right manager?

 

I know you can answer both, but if you could only choose one, would you rather the Sox blame the manager or players and make changes to only one?

 

Believe me, I get people want him out. But the calls of ticket sale drops seems laughable. The team has actually played pretty well at home this year. The ticket base has witnessed more victories. I doubt there will be a meaningful drop no matter who manages. If they trade their better players away, that will have a much larger effect than the manager IMO.

 

Robin said he wanted to come back a few weeks ago. I don't see how that changes, but some people who probably should know more than me think it's a possibility if not a probability.

Edited September 28, 20169 yr by Dick Allen

Off the top of my head, I found Connie Mack whose teams lost 610 games over a six season span... in a 154 game schedule.

 

Fine. Yes, there are those from a bygone era that lost a lot.

 

How many managers in the past 40 years have had this bad of a five season stretch and survived the chopping block?

Here we go with again with Dick Allen bringing the bulls*** train home.

 

 

 

 

This news makes me sick...sick to my stomach. This makes it obvious that they want to go for it again.

Hang on one second -

 

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 2m2 minutes ago

Source: report that Robin Ventura has been offered a contract for 2017 or beyond is inaccurate.

Ugh, no one is arguing that managers have more of an impact than players. People are just stating that managers have some impact and that the team could improve some with a better manager. There's no doubt in my mind this team is better with Maddon, whether that's one game or four.

And if it's one game or four, guess what, if he took the job in 2012 like Robin, he would be on his 4th consecutive below .500 season. He would be deemed an idiot who has to go.

 

I was around when Tony LaRussa was around. Hawk was not an idiot in 1986 for canning him. Then his firing was one of the biggest blunders ever when LaRussa won with a roster just about anyone could win with.

 

If Maddon had zoo animals and karaoke at Sox spring training with 3 consecutive losing seasons, his act wouldn't be genius, it would be a clown show. Ozzie's first game I think Koch blew a save. He said he told the team to go out and get drunk. People laughed. He says that in 2011, there would have been outrage. When you win, everything you do is looked at positively. When you lose, those same moves are idiotic.

Edited September 28, 20169 yr by Dick Allen

If he comes back JR can say goodbye to a lot of fans just a POS organization top to bottom If this really happens. NO accountability EVER!

Edited September 28, 20169 yr by Soxfest

So, Dick, just to be clear, your main thrust is that there is no way to ever judge whether a manager is good, either by record or by his choices on the field, so we should never fire a manager, correct?

Hang on one second -

 

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 2m2 minutes ago

Source: report that Robin Ventura has been offered a contract for 2017 or beyond is inaccurate.

 

Ha. This just keeps getting better.