It's not a Soxtalk thing, it's a sports fan thing.

 

Probably true.

It's not a Soxtalk thing, it's a sports fan thing.

 

Totally. Read twitter response to any article posted.

 

 

It's an everyone thing.

Very true.

Fangraphs has a lot of very lazy analysis and aside from their prospect stuff I don't take any of it seriously. A lot of them just coming up w an idea and finding the stats to prove it rather than the other way around.

Edited January 24, 20179 yr by Con te Giolito

It's become clear to me that a trade with the Pirates is not happening. With Meadows and Bell reportedly off the table and Glasgow having control/command/change-up issues, Huntington and the Pirates are just not a fit.

 

I still think it's possible Q is traded, just not to the Pirates.

 

Still curious about what the Braves may have offered. Not really buying the Newcomb rumor since he's the closest to the majors and expected to replace one of the geriatrics at some point this season.

 

Fangraphs has a lot of very lazy analysis and aside from their prospect stuff I don't take any of it seriously. A lot of them just coming up w an idea and finding the stats to prove it rather than the other way around.

 

Comparing McHugh as being roughly equal to Quintana was where that article loses me

 

It cherry picked stats while ignoring huge WAR differences

 

Quintana in the past 4 season = 18.1 WAR

 

McHugh in the same time span = 7.8 WAR

 

McHugh's performance has gotten worse each of the past two seasons and he is now in the #4/#5 starter territory

 

Quintana is a #1 on most teams and a #2 on a world series contender

 

 

Dahl and Hoffman probably doesn't get the Rox Quintana by themselves.

Steve Adams of MLBTR today responding to a fans hypothetical trade of Dahl and Hoffman for Q.

 

hi8is commentary: They're a Rodgers short.

Comparing McHugh as being roughly equal to Quintana was where that article loses me

 

It cherry picked stats while ignoring huge WAR differences

 

Quintana in the past 4 season = 18.1 WAR

 

McHugh in the same time span = 7.8 WAR

 

McHugh's performance has gotten worse each of the past two seasons and he is now in the #4/#5 starter territory

 

Quintana is a #1 on most teams and a #2 on a world series contender

After looking at all of the stats I would agree with the article. Quintana is definitely better but not by a large amount for the last 3 years. K/BB, runs and WHIP are all slightly in favor of Mchugh. FIP, xFIP and SIERA are all in favor of Quintana.

 

 

Fangraphs has a lot of very lazy analysis and aside from their prospect stuff I don't take any of it seriously. A lot of them just coming up w an idea and finding the stats to prove it rather than the other way around.

 

I would like to hear more about how they provide very lazy analysis.

Steve Adams of MLBTR today responding to a fans hypothetical trade of Dahl and Hoffman for Q.

 

hi8is commentary: They're a Rodgers short.

 

Dahl + Hoffman is a start, but significantly more would have to be added to that deal

 

I agree with add in Rodgers and we'd be moving closer to a deal

It's become clear to me that a trade with the Pirates is not happening. With Meadows and Bell reportedly off the table and Glasgow having control/command/change-up issues, Huntington and the Pirates are just not a fit.

 

I still think it's possible Q is traded, just not to the Pirates.

 

Still curious about what the Braves may have offered. Not really buying the Newcomb rumor since he's the closest to the majors and expected to replace one of the geriatrics at some point this season.

 

Hahn has 2-3 years to trade Quintana if he wants to

 

The market may very well be tapped out right now and it might actually be best to reevaluate at the trade deadline

 

Fleecing a contender at the deadline would really feel great

Pretty much everyone left are small market franchises reluctant to trade away a bunch of prospects -- HOU, PIT, COL, ATL.

 

And HOU is really the only immediate contender in that group.

 

Perhaps that changes at the trade deadline with injuries, slumps, etc. Or a team like HOU might realize they need a SP after all.

Edited January 24, 20179 yr by bighurt574

Dahl + Hoffman is a start, but significantly more would have to be added to that deal

 

I agree with add in Rodgers and we'd be moving closer to a deal

Rodgers + Dahl + anything is better than the Sale deal.

 

Dahl + Hoffman/Pint is a very fair start and probably would need another two B or C prospects. Hahn would be all over a deal starting with Dahl and Hoffman/Pint.

Pretty much everyone left are small market franchises reluctant to trade away a bunch of prospects -- HOU, PIT, COL, ATL.

 

And HOU is really the only immediate contender in that group.

 

Perhaps that changes at the trade deadline with injuries, slumps, etc. Or a team like HOU might realize they need a SP after all.

 

Hopefully the Yankees play good to the point where they may look for a starter. Rockies too. Dodgers could be a fit at that time. Just gotta hope whatever teams could have potential rentals (Tanaka, Darvish, Cueto, etc) are doing good too.

Edited January 24, 20179 yr by soxfan2014

Pretty much everyone left are small market franchises reluctant to trade away a bunch of prospects -- HOU, PIT, COL, ATL.

 

And HOU is really the only immediate contender in that group.

 

Perhaps that changes at the trade deadline with injuries, slumps, etc. Or a team like HOU mighFrankly, the Sox might want to wait and see how t realize they need a SP after all.

 

I agree and have acknowledged that it is unlikely Quintana gets traded before spring training unless a new suitor emerges

 

The small market teams like you mentioned are clinging to their top prospects and do not feel the urgent need as they might in a playoff race

 

The Sox might want to wait and see how some top prospects perform in 2017 before pulling the trigger on a Q deal. He will still have tremendous value a year from now unless he gets injured or has an awful year.

 

It's not always easy to line up two organizations needs and wants in a blockbuster trade. Hard to make each team feel like they "won" the deal

Comparing McHugh as being roughly equal to Quintana was where that article loses me

 

It cherry picked stats while ignoring huge WAR differences

 

Quintana in the past 4 season = 18.1 WAR

 

McHugh in the same time span = 7.8 WAR

 

McHugh's performance has gotten worse each of the past two seasons and he is now in the #4/#5 starter territory

 

Quintana is a #1 on most teams and a #2 on a world series contender

 

Q is a #1 on many but not sure most teams. I would think the heavy favorites to meet in the 2017 World Series are the Red Sox and Cubs. Q is a #3 on both of them.

Yeah, I'm hoping NYY or LAD are back in play at the trade deadline. LAD has a slew of starting pitching but also a lot of question marks.

 

It's no huge surprise that BOS and WAS are the two teams to really pay up at this point. Prying top prospects out of small market teams who aren't even sure-fire contenders is a tough climb.

Q is a #1 on many but not sure most teams. I would think the heavy favorites to meet in the 2017 World Series are the Red Sox and Cubs. Q is a #3 on both of them.

 

And whichever one has him has the edge in that scenario.

You can call Q a 3 on both of those teams but he could easily be the 2 on both teams and the 1 on the Cubs this upcoming year imo.

Yeah, I'm hoping NYY or LAD are back in play at the trade deadline. LAD has a slew of starting pitching but also a lot of question marks.

 

It's no huge surprise that BOS and WAS are the two teams to really pay up at this point. Prying top prospects out of small market teams who aren't even sure-fire contenders is a tough climb.

 

Getting Pittsburgh to part with Meadows + significantly more is not going to happen. They totally rely on young cheap talent and cannot afford to sign big ticket free agents generally.

 

The trade match just is not there at this point

 

Boston is primed to win right now and can afford to give up Moncada + Kopech because they will have a multi year window with which to replace those prospects or sign big time free agents

I think the draft will be a big part of finding replacements for guys they may move.

Hahn has 2-3 years to trade Quintana if he wants to

 

The market may very well be tapped out right now and it might actually be best to reevaluate at the trade deadline

 

Fleecing a contender at the deadline would really feel great

Quintana's value greatly reduces once he has less than three years of control. Hahn does not have two or three years to move him. It's either now, at the trade deadline, or next offseason. After that, you're almost certainly taking a lesser package.

Dahl + Hoffman is a start, but significantly more would have to be added to that deal

 

I agree with add in Rodgers and we'd be moving closer to a deal

What are you smoking, Steve? Rockies are not going to do that. No way.

Quintana's value greatly reduces once he has less than three years of control. Hahn does not have two or three years to move him. It's either now, at the trade deadline, or next offseason. After that, you're almost certainly taking a lesser package.

 

 

It's not even to next offseason. The market next offseason will be slow. Nobody is trading for Q while the free agent market is so robust and probably ongoing through January. Giving up prospects for a pitcher will be a last resort for pitcher needy teams that can afford signing them.

Edited January 24, 20179 yr by Baron

What are you smoking, Steve? Rockies are not going to do that. No way.

 

I don't think people realize that Dahl is not only already in majors but often is compared with Benintendi as a peer. Top position player + top pitching prospect is Sale deal, no, you aren't also getting a top 10 shortstop.