Quin Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I love that people that are vehemently against the rebuild keep pouring 40s on the ground for Tatis. Goes to show its less "I hate rebuilds" and more "I hate any move the front office does." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 08:11 PM) I love that people that are vehemently against the rebuild keep pouring 40s on the ground for Tatis. Goes to show its less "I hate rebuilds" and more "I hate any move the front office does." To me, it's more that you make a move that makes absolutely no sense and then turn around and completely blow it up a few months later. Did Hahn really think Shields was the missing link last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 05:17 PM) To me, it's more that you make a move that makes absolutely no sense and then turn around and completely blow it up a few months later. Did Hahn really think Shields was the missing link last year? Oh it was definitely a bad move and I'm not saying it's above critique. But people that lovery ragging on rebuilding get mad about it and it's hysterical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 08:11 PM) I love that people that are vehemently against the rebuild keep pouring 40s on the ground for Tatis. Goes to show its less "I hate rebuilds" and more "I hate any move the front office does." Pretty much the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 12:02 PM) This is appalling. The White Sox have acquired some really awful baseball players and yet everybody keeps their jobs. Somebody thought Shields could pitch and the Sox had to take over a lot of money on his contract. Very bizarre. He had given up 10 runs the start before the Sox got him and was called out by SD for his ineptitude. And we throw a good prospect in the Erik Johnson for Shields deal. Weird. I believe Eric Johnson got hurt and has shown very little. Haven't followed him so I could be wrong but if I am not, it's not like the Sox gave up some top of the line prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Even Rick himself admitted he "unfortunately" gave him away in our Chuck's podcast (I believe it was his podcast, but I vehemently remember that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 10:48 PM) I believe Eric Johnson got hurt and has shown very little. Haven't followed him so I could be wrong but if I am not, it's not like the Sox gave up some top of the line prospect. Tatis has all the makings of a super prospect in two years if he continues with the development he's showing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2017 Author Share Posted July 5, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 06:52 PM) Tatis has all the makings of a super prospect in two years if he continues with the development he's showing White Sox traded away prospect = Super Prospect White Sox acquired prospect = bust, failure, and panic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 04:16 AM) White Sox traded away prospect = Super Prospect White Sox acquired prospect = bust, failure, and panic. Why do you guys support this front office this much? This is about Shields and how bad he is. You trust the rebuild to guys who think Shields was a smart investment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 09:40 PM) Why do you guys support this front office this much? This is about Shields and how bad he is. You trust the rebuild to guys who think Shields was a smart investment? Why is the media so kind to Hahn? Not to mention The Owner. Jeez, he gave away $20 Million + for Shields (who was hurt at the time) and gave up a kid that they had just paid a nice bonus. You could almost, almost justify a trade between Shields and Eric Johnson. Then Preller said Rick, why don't you just toss in one ofd your prospects. Tatis will do. Rick: Okay, why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Where would Tatis rank in our current Top Ten? The worst part is SS/3B is one of our biggest areas of need if Burger and Tim Anderson can't stick at those positions defensively. Still think with that size he eventually ends up over at third like his dad. Would have been almost like getting Devers, too...one way to look at it. That said, it proves we at least successfully identified a very young Latin American prospect. But then turn around and underestimate their value, especially with Preller, the biggest expert on Latin American ballplayers out there. Just the initial ask should have been a huge red flag. But let's see how he handles Advanced A ball before putting him in that elite prospect status just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 I'm going to wait a while before thinking Tatis is a first ballot HOFer. I'm guessing he eventually tails off like other future HOFers the Sox traded. Jeremy Reed, Marcus Semien, Trayce Thompson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Semien was 2.5 fWAR last year, 17th out of 30, Anderson was 2.4 and 18th. $20 million per year value on the free agent market. Thompson ended up at just 0.4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2017 Author Share Posted July 5, 2017 Daryl Van SchouwenVerified account @CST_soxvan 1h1 hour ago José Abreu is attempting to join Simmons (11), Pujols (10), Ted Williams (8), DiMaggio (7) as only players with 100-plus RBI first 4 seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 05:52 PM) Tatis has all the makings of a super prospect in two years if he continues with the development he's showing I was specifically referring to Johnson in my comment responding to a poster who brought his name up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2017 Author Share Posted July 5, 2017 Let me put it this way with Tatis... Player A: .274 .360 .466 .827 in A ball. 90K in 296 AB Player B: .278 .336 .484 .819 in A ball. 90K in 273 AB One is a bust because of K rate, the other is a Super Prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 02:48 PM) Let me put it this way with Tatis... Player A: .274 .360 .466 .827 in A ball. 90K in 296 AB Player B: .278 .336 .484 .819 in A ball. 90K in 273 AB One is a bust because of K rate, the other is a Super Prospect. Micker Adolfo! Seriously tho, nice comp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 02:48 PM) Let me put it this way with Tatis... Player A: .274 .360 .466 .827 in A ball. 90K in 296 AB Player B: .278 .336 .484 .819 in A ball. 90K in 273 AB One is a bust because of K rate, the other is a Super Prospect. Duh because we traded one. That means the front office has no idea what they're doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 08:48 PM) Let me put it this way with Tatis... Player A: .274 .360 .466 .827 in A ball. 90K in 296 AB Player B: .278 .336 .484 .819 in A ball. 90K in 273 AB One is a bust because of K rate, the other is a Super Prospect. Tatis Jr. is more than two years younger than Adolfo and has the chance to play a premium position (and I'm not an Adolfo hater by any means) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2017 Author Share Posted July 5, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 02:59 PM) Micker Adolfo! Seriously tho, nice comp. To confirm, B is Micker. A is Tatis. At the end of the day, it absolutely sucks to lose Tatis, but the one thing I am taking out of this is that Marco Paddy is putting in work, and we are starting to see some early returns here. That alone is a HUGE positive for the future of this organization. If we start to see other breakouts from Latin America from some of our previous classes, the chances of sustaining success from our minor leagues goes WAY up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2017 Author Share Posted July 5, 2017 Dan HayesVerified account @CSNHayes 9m9 minutes ago Matt Davidson's 18 HRs tied w/ R. Kittle (1983), C. May (1969) & Z. Bonura (1934) for 2nd-most in Sox history before ASG. Abreu's 29 is 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2017 Author Share Posted July 5, 2017 The White Sox are last in all of baseball this year with 18 save opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 04:08 PM) Tatis Jr. is more than two years younger than Adolfo and has the chance to play a premium position (and I'm not an Adolfo hater by any means) 3B is more premium than RF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 04:49 PM) Dan HayesVerified account @CSNHayes 9m9 minutes ago Matt Davidson's 18 HRs tied w/ R. Kittle (1983), C. May (1969) & Z. Bonura (1934) for 2nd-most in Sox history before ASG. Abreu's 29 is 1st. I remember Zeke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 Avi Garcia is not in tonight's line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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