SoxAce Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 https://mobile.twitter.com/kittyelgato12/st...034605488558080 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Wait a second, this should be worth 2x to the Sox. If this gives them 750k more space, and the tax is 1:1, then it should save them 1.5mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSide2004 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ May 21, 2017 -> 01:54 AM) Wait a second, this should be worth 2x to the Sox. If this gives them 750k more space, and the tax is 1:1, then it should save them 1.5mil No, they still have to pay the $750k to Robert. They've simply reduced their tax burden by $750k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Jerry, KW and Hahn made a decision to go balls to the wall for Luis Robert. Apparently anything that had to be done was done to get him. I smiled today when I got a text from my son "We got him" :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 20, 2017 -> 04:22 PM) Next period is now officially worthless to the White Sox. Â Â I wouldn't classify it as "worthless". They can't make any big ticket expenditures but they can still add guys. They have $4.75 million to spend. They could sign 10 guys for 300K apiece and still trade $1.5 million in International $$. They could trade all $4 million of it if they want. They have options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ May 20, 2017 -> 05:20 PM) Well, there's an open spot on the Kanny roster now. Wonder if Robert starts there. With the pitching depth the Sox have, trading Katz for bonus slots is a smart move. Don't think we'll see Robert with an affiliate for a few more weeks/months, but I do see him moving quickly Reasonable ETA on the South Side is Opening Day 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ May 21, 2017 -> 10:58 AM) Don't think we'll see Robert with an affiliate for a few more weeks/months, but I do see him moving quickly Reasonable ETA on the South Side is Opening Day 2019 Â He turns 20 in August, so he's in his Age 19 season. It would be great if he's that good of a player, but one step at a time. If he ends 2018 in Birmingham, I'll take that as a positive. Â ROY 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Until we actually see the kid take MiLB ABs we will have no idea what his ETA looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ May 21, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) He turns 20 in August, so he's in his Age 19 season. It would be great if he's that good of a player, but one step at a time. If he ends 2018 in Birmingham, I'll take that as a positive. Â ROY 2020 Â If he ends up in AA by the end of next season he's on a path to super stardom. I'd be happy if he's in AA by midway through 2019. The Sox seem to have changed their ultra aggressive approach to toolsy prospects, thank goodness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 20, 2017 -> 04:22 PM) Next period is now officially worthless to the White Sox. Â That is a huge misconception. I have seen other posters say that they should start scouting 14 year olds because the next two signing periods are already over. That is totally false, the Sox are going to be able to sign 20 kids over the next two offseasons for $300K. With the new cap, teams are going to be able to acquire more talented players for less than $300K than ever before. Looking around the league, it is about a 50/50 split of guys from LA that had huge bonuses to guys that had bonuses less than $100K. There is still a lot of work that can be done, and this is where you rely on Paddy to find you the guys that grow into ball players. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ May 20, 2017 -> 04:42 PM) How much did Sox sign their lower tier prospects for in years past? I'm wondering if there are teams that will sign the more interesting next tier names for slightly over $300k to beat out the penalizing teams. Â They may, but it counts against their cap if they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ May 22, 2017 -> 09:37 AM) That is a huge misconception. I have seen other posters say that they should start scouting 14 year olds because the next two signing periods are already over. That is totally false, the Sox are going to be able to sign 20 kids over the next two offseasons for $300K. With the new cap, teams are going to be able to acquire more talented players for less than $300K than ever before. Looking around the league, it is about a 50/50 split of guys from LA that had huge bonuses to guys that had bonuses less than $100K. There is still a lot of work that can be done, and this is where you rely on Paddy to find you the guys that grow into ball players. Â I think the opposite happens. There will be a whole lot of guys who used to sign for $500k to a $1 million who will be signing for $325k, or slightly more. I think the top guys still clean up, but the middle tier guys suffer. But it will still be too easy for a team who isn't out of the restricted phase to offer someone $325k (maybe say $400 or even $500k), and absolutely clean up against the 10-15 teams who can't offer more than $300k. They will be the ones signing 10 to 15 kids in that range, with the table scraps left over for the under $300k crowd. Â The Sox are stuck in the Wal-Mart aisle for the next two years. Could there be finds there? Sure. But the odds are dramatically decreased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 I think the market will shift, but I think it will be less noticeable this year. Some of the agreements may have started pre CBA, and could drag some players upward. Should be more available at 300k than last year, but I think next year will be much more indicative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ May 21, 2017 -> 10:58 AM) Don't think we'll see Robert with an affiliate for a few more weeks/months, but I do see him moving quickly Reasonable ETA on the South Side is Opening Day 2019 Â If Robert is on our opening day roster in 2019 that would mean he blew past all expectations and is certainly on the path to superstardom. I do not see that happening, at least so quickly. Â He will spend the entire season in the low minors, possibly seeing some time in high A Winston-Salem in 2017. If he performs really well the Sox could send him to the Arizona Fall League to test his skills. Â Realistically we have no idea what his ETA will be until he plays in the minors for several months. It's a big culture change moving to the USA and playing professionally. Make him earn a promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ May 22, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) If Robert is on our opening day roster in 2019 that would mean he blew past all expectations and is certainly on the path to superstardom. I do not see that happening, at least so quickly. Â He will spend the entire season in the low minors, possibly seeing some time in high A Winston-Salem in 2017. If he performs really well the Sox could send him to the Arizona Fall League to test his skills. Â Realistically we have no idea what his ETA will be until he plays in the minors for several months. It's a big culture change moving to the USA and playing professionally. Make him earn a promotion. Â If you look at the defensive deficiencies that Abreu had even at 27 years old, and see how raw guys like Alexei, Dayan, and Moncada are/were when they got here, I think September of 2019 is fairly optimistic, with the expectation that he might compete for a job by the next decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Victor Mesa will sign for $300k just to play with Moncada, Abreu and Robert...then sign a huge extension like Tim Anderson. Â Well, one can certainly dream a few Cubans are pulled to the Sox in the same way every veteran bench player wants to go to the Cavs and Warriors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Lost in the shuffle are the thousands of talented kids from our own country! I think we will be OK if we end up with a couple of filler Americans on our team. Who cares if we used all our resources on this 1 quality signing--once in a while the quality over quantity model is a nice change of pace. We're already home so we might as well go big. I LOVE the gamble on this kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Interested to see how Robert fares once he starts in Kanny. I wouldn't be all that surprised if he makes it to the big leagues before 2020, if he is as good as some experts say he is. Â But until that happens, everything is pure conjecture. Edited May 22, 2017 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 So we essentially traded Katz for approx $750k. in a vacuum, is that a good deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 The way I see it, JR just spent $50m to buy you a prospect. I'm not going to complain if he dumps a couple no-names to recoup some of the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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