shipps Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I am not in the belief that Rick is going to just give anyone away in this rebuild. Now I know some might not agree with that LOL I wouldnt put it past Rick to get a top 100 at the very bottom type guy for Swarzak. Someone is going to get desperate after they strike out landing the other guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 11:48 AM) I am not in the belief that Rick is going to just give anyone away in this rebuild. Now I know some might not agree with that LOL I wouldnt put it past Rick to get a top 100 at the very bottom type guy for Swarzak. Someone is going to get desperate after they strike out landing the other guys. Might not be a bad guy to hold onto right up until the deadline. Get him some closing opportunities (if he gets any with this new roster lol) and see if you can leverage a desperate team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 12:48 PM) I am not in the belief that Rick is going to just give anyone away in this rebuild. Now I know some might not agree with that LOL I wouldnt put it past Rick to get a top 100 at the very bottom type guy for Swarzak. Someone is going to get desperate after they strike out landing the other guys. If the supply of relievers was razor thin then it'd be a different story, but with Hand/Neshek/Britton/O'Day/Brach/Wilson (and I might be forgetting others) still available there's enough relievers to go around. Edited July 19, 2017 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Swarzak would be a rental right? At best, we could hope for a lotto ticket, that's about it. I don't mind packaging him and Avi for something bigger. QUOTE (Username @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 12:51 PM) Might not be a bad guy to hold onto right up until the deadline. Get him some closing opportunities (if he gets any with this new roster lol) and see if you can leverage a desperate team. Not sure if a couple weeks at the closer role is enough to change anything for a team in contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 12:48 PM) I am not in the belief that Rick is going to just give anyone away in this rebuild. Now I know some might not agree with that LOL I wouldnt put it past Rick to get a top 100 at the very bottom type guy for Swarzak. Someone is going to get desperate after they strike out landing the other guys. That would be incredible, but unlikely. I would be very happy with a B, even B- prospect in exchange for a Swarzak rental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Sox could also sign him for a year or two and unload him next deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Mariners close to trading for an unidentified reliever. Edited July 20, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 05:01 AM) Mariners close to trading for a reliever. Jeesh, their pen seemed strong already when we played them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 07:18 AM) Jeesh, their pen seemed strong already when we played them. Everyone's Pen seems strong when we play them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 Supposedly they've been looking at David Phelps but it's unclear whether he's the guy they're about to snag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 QUOTE (Username @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 08:50 AM) Supposedly they've been looking at David Phelps but it's unclear whether he's the guy they're about to snag. Yeah I saw that once I got to work today. For some reason, MLBtr hasn't been updating on my phone correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Per Heyman, Brayan Hernandez is the top guy going for Phelps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) Per Heyman, Brayan Hernandez is the top guy going for Phelps. Along with 3 others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 That's a pretty nice return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Are Phelps and Kahnle comparable? I know Phelps also has some control and also has more of a track record I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) Per Heyman, Brayan Hernandez is the top guy going for Phelps. Don't really know much about these guys, but Hernandez seems like a pretty weak headliner if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 08:48 AM) Are Phelps and Kahnle comparable? I know Phelps also has some control and also has more of a track record I guess. Phelps will be a FA after next season. He's solid, not spectacular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 08:48 AM) Don't really know much about these guys, but Hernandez seems like a pretty weak headliner if true. I'm just looking at MLBPipeline, but he's a decent prospect...he's only 19, but projects to be a possible CF with a better than average arm. Considering they got him and 3 other warm bodies, seems like a pretty nice return to me, given what we just got back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) I'm just looking at MLBPipeline, but he's a decent prospect...he's only 19, but projects to be a possible CF with a better than average arm. Considering they got him and 3 other warm bodies, seems like a pretty nice return to me, given what we just got back. Fangraphs & Baseball America both had him in the teens. Honestly, he's probably a Clarkin level prospect at best. Overall the returns for relievers haven't been that great so far this deadline IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) I'm just looking at MLBPipeline, but he's a decent prospect...he's only 19, but projects to be a possible CF with a better than average arm. Considering they got him and 3 other warm bodies, seems like a pretty nice return to me, given what we just got back. Brayan Hernandez wouldn't even likely be in the top 30 in the Sox system. He was going to be #9 on BA midseason list. #6 according to pipeline. Marlins pretty much got trash back but Phelps has been just okay. 30 years old and has another year of control. 47 IP, 9.77 K/9, 3.69 FIP and 0.3 fWAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 What should the realistic return be for Swarzak? I didn't realize how good he's been. He's a rental but 44 IP, 9.82 K/, 2.29 FIP and an fWAR of 1.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) Fangraphs & Baseball America both had him in the teens. Honestly, he's probably a Clarkin level prospect at best. Overall the returns for relievers haven't been that great so far this deadline IMO. Seems like there's a lot available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 08:59 AM) Brayan Hernandez wouldn't even likely be in the top 30 in the Sox system. He was going to be #9 on BA midseason list. #6 according to pipeline. Marlins pretty much got trash back but Phelps has been just okay. 30 years old and has another year of control. 47 IP, 9.77 K/9, 3.69 FIP and 0.3 fWAR. Oh come on now. That is just hyperbole. He'd be midrange in our top 30. Guy is young but has a lot of tools. He is a better piece than Ian Clarkin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) Oh come on now. That is just hyperbole. He'd be midrange in our top 30. Guy is young but has a lot of tools. He is a better piece than Ian Clarkin. He's something like 6-12 in Seattle's trash system. Would you rate him higher than Micker Adolfo, Luis Gonzalez, or Alex Call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) Oh come on now. That is just hyperbole. He'd be midrange in our top 30. Guy is young but has a lot of tools. He is a better piece than Ian Clarkin. I ranked Basbabe #22 in our system yesterday and I would take him over Hernandez. He'd probably be in the mid to low 20's at best. And I don't think he's a better piece than Clarkin. Edited July 20, 2017 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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