caulfield12 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:12 PM) If they go to Minneapolis tonight, maybe Kahnle can say hi to Latroy Hawkins tomorrow. And yet somehow we miss Quintana next week against the Cubs...maybe that's the best outcome for all parties involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:14 PM) If WSD is to be trusted on this one then we need to see another good + guy back. Either that or he was a really big fan of Tito f***ing Polo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Frazier has value as a veteran defender that should handle post season pressure well. DRob and Kahnle are both high leverage guys that are needed for playoffs runs. I like Rutherford but would like another more advanced prospect in this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Sounds like the White Sox made this deal around getting Rutherford. Got rid of Robertson's salary for next season, Frazier had little/no value, and they cashed in on Kahnle. Essentially Kahnle and Robertson for Rutherford. Doesn't sound like the 2 other minor league players offer much value, but Hahn may have so high on Rutherford, this could be a trade for a prospect he wanted vs. a quantity deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:15 PM) Still can't believe they traded Anthony Webster for Carl Everett. And Frank the Chair Thrower Francisco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 03:15 AM) Either that or he was a really big fan of Tito f***ing Polo. Or really likes Clarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (heirdog @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:06 PM) Todd Frazier wouldn't buy you a bus ticket in this market Robertson isn't Chapman or Miller Kahnle is essentially Nate Jones from a couple years ago (sell high before injury/implosion) If that nets me a top 40 prospect that could continue to trend up, a LH starting pitcher w pretty good stuff and another low level lottery ticket...sign me up every single time. this. can't believe how much people are overvaluing who we just moved. People thrilled about moving Quintana - a true ace on any team but they get mad about getting a top prospect for spare parts. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 03:16 AM) Sounds like the White Sox made this deal around getting Rutherford. Got rid of Robertson's salary for next season, Frazier had little/no value, and they cashed in on Kahnle. Essentially Kahnle and Robertson for Rutherford. Doesn't sound like the 2 other minor league players offer much value, but Hahn may have so high on Rutherford, this could be a trade for a prospect he wanted vs. a quantity deal. Clarkin is far from filler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:14 PM) So your 2020 Charlotte Knights LF. Fast guys are nice but the name of the game is power. Hopefully Hahn acquires enough guys who hit a lot of homers. Sounds like Hanson...or Leury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:16 PM) Or really likes Clarkin My read of this deal is that the Sox are much higher on Clarkin than the consensus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) If I'm not mistaken, the last groundballing lefty starter from the NYY, albeit a minor league free agent contract, was someone by the name of Jose Quintana after he was suspended for PEDs. I have faith in this deal. Edited July 19, 2017 by Soxnfins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChrisSamsa Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:56 PM) Nothing will match the Nomar thread though. Back then it was just crazy speculation and alleged insiders on message boards. The Torii Hunter speculation was top notch too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:11 PM) Matt Thornton was pretty terrific pre White Sox and mechanic adjustment as well. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:11 PM) Or Jose Contreras...or Matt Thornton. The question is how well Kanhle handles the Bronx pressure cooker. I tried to do my best to limit Coop adjustments. Coop, even like 15 years into this, is still one of the best in the game, and always will be, until he dies or retires. Some guys take to adjustments, some guys don't, some of it's Coop's fault, some if it's the pitcher's fault, some of it is s*** that can't be fixed. It happens. Coop is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:15 PM) Still can't believe they traded Anthony Webster for Carl Everett. We made the right decision getting Jamie Navarro over Roger Clemens. Edited July 19, 2017 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Sounds like Sox wanted Groome https://mobile.twitter.com/BostonStrong_34/...511315572547588 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Non-coincidentally, into the 9th, and we have Holmberg, Swarzak, Jennings, and Infante all pitching in a 1 run game. No, there's no smoke at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:10 PM) Who the f*** is Tito Polo? A relative of Marco ? Great for games in the pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:13 PM) Come on. Obviously the return matters, but we are absolutely overvaluing the pieces we're giving up here if you expect multiple top prospects to come back. It's not outrageous to want one more good piece when you're trading two very good relievers and taking back some money as well. I'm not going to flip out if the last piece isn't a top talent as I'll be thrilled to have Rutherford but overall the deal would feel a little light to me. It's possible that some people overvalued Kahnle or Robertson but it's also possible some of you guys are undervaluing them, who knows. Like I said, I'll be thrilled to have Blake but overall not going to be thrilled about the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 https://pinstripedprospects.com/yankees-top...n-clarkin-11949 Clarkin far from garbage, former first round pick in 2013, LHP out of high school, has had some injury issues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:18 PM) The Torii Hunter speculation was top notch too. The best was the yearly pick up of the Alomar boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:18 PM) Sounds like Sox wanted Groome https://mobile.twitter.com/BostonStrong_34/...511315572547588 They did even better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (kwill @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:55 PM) I see no reason why the White Sox couldn't just eat that Headley contract for next year to get better prospects. We have no money committed for next year. The Yankees are trying to get under the luxury tax for next year. Luis Robert acquisition is my guess at why they aren't eating a ton of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:15 PM) Turning Frazier, Robertson and kahnle into Rutherford, clarkin, polo and clippard it's a great move by hahn and co No money expected to change hands I think it's a touch light. I thought D Rob was a 70-100 guy plus a fringe; Same with Kahnle. so instead it would be 1 30-50 guy and 2 fringes; So nothing for Frazier (although I guess it could be Frazier for Clippard, but that wouldn't be in the Sox interests). They will have a low payroll next year - they should be able to eat some money. Edited July 19, 2017 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:18 PM) Sounds like Sox wanted Groome https://mobile.twitter.com/BostonStrong_34/...511315572547588 I love Boston homers more than I love any other homer. Dombrowski's reputation is to take over talented teams with good farm systems and then just f***ing destroy them for a 2-5 year run. Ask Dombrowski how the Tigers are doing right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwill Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I guess the big difference with some people is that they rate Tommy Kahlne differently. I view him as a good as Andrew Miller but with not with the consistent pedigree. Have a consistent pedigree is huge though when talking relievers. Link of Fangraphs Article today below. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-white-s...jor-trade-chip/ Another difference though is that Kahlne will be cheaper than Miller moving forward with Miller making another 2/18 after the time of the trade. Kahlne still has all three years of arbitration left which if he does really well will equal what 3/15. Remember what happend to Dellon Betances. Then on top of it you add the additional value of David Robertson and Todd Frazier( even if marginal) with taking back Clippard. In my opinion, you should be able to match or get better value than what the Yankees got for Miller last year at the deadline. Rutherford is a good start but you need at least another 2 intriguing pieces to get me excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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