March 23, 20197 yr 6 minutes ago, Swingandalongonetoleft said: Obviously those two are top-shelf (don't think Machado would have cost a pick, which makes that sting even more), but I'd even be ok with something lower-tier. Prior to his extension, if Goldschmidt came at the cost of a pick next year, I'd be fine with that. This past offseason, Corbin, Grandal, Pollack come to mind. I think in my head I am good with guys you are projecting for plus production out of for 4 or more years before I am willing to give up a high pick.
March 23, 20197 yr 26 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I think in my head I am good with guys you are projecting for plus production out of for 4 or more years before I am willing to give up a high pick. If you could get Keuchel for 4/$40, how would you feel about that?
March 23, 20197 yr 10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If you could get Keuchel for 4/$40, how would you feel about that? I don't think he will give plus production for 4 years, but that is also 5th starter money, so I think I would be ok.
March 24, 20197 yr Author 4/60 is much more realistic to actual. the draft pick part is concerning though.
March 24, 20197 yr 2 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: 4/60 is much more realistic to actual. the draft pick part is concerning though. Draft pick makes it not doable. He's going back to Houston on a 1 year deal imo.
March 24, 20197 yr Author i think he has to basically. Boras really screwed him over if he thought 100 mil + was realistic
March 25, 20197 yr On 3/23/2019 at 9:38 PM, Jack Parkman said: Draft pick makes it not doable. He's going back to Houston on a 1 year deal imo. Agreed. Where he will eventually extending during the season/resigning after for less than Cole will get (I have Cole pegged for the Yanks).
March 25, 20197 yr If the Sox aren't willing to spend actual money in free agency then they can't give up top 50 selections for marginal upgrades. It doesn't really make sense at this point.
March 25, 20197 yr If he was willing to sign at a price you’d feel good about, he would have already signed.
March 25, 20197 yr 6 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: If he was willing to sign at a price you’d feel good about, he would have already signed. 2019 is a total rebuilding season anyways, why bother signing Keuchel to a 2-3 year deal right now?
March 25, 20197 yr 5 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: If the Sox aren't willing to spend actual money in free agency then they can't give up top 50 selections for marginal upgrades. It doesn't really make sense at this point. 100% agree. We should not be forgoing a high 2nd round to pick to add an older free agent pitcher a year before they’re actually needed. 12 months from now could be a different story. Also, while the pitching market has no doubt taken a big hit with Sale & Verlander agreeing to extensions, there are still some interesting arms that should be available next offseason. Cole is definitely a pipedream at this point, but any of Bumgarner, Porcello, Wacha, Wheeler, & Wood could prove to be useful additions. Obviously I’d prefer a more impactful arm than those guys, but at the end of the day there aren’t a ton of consistent, high-end pitchers in the game right now. Adding a guy who can hopefully be a 3+ win pitcher may be good enough for what we need with Cease & Kopech entering the fold.
March 25, 20197 yr 37 minutes ago, steveno89 said: 2019 is a total rebuilding season anyways, why bother signing Keuchel to a 2-3 year deal right now? I agree. But there’s always a price where it makes sense, if for nothing other than as a flip candidate. But his price obviously hasn’t gotten there. Edited March 25, 20197 yr by Eminor3rd
April 3, 20197 yr MLBTR posted a poll asking when he (and Kimbrel) would sign. If he is out there past the draft (no longer have to give up compensation for him), would anyone here be ok with the Sox signing him? Personally, I think he's a better fit in the NL long-term, but if we're talking 4 years max, I might ok with it. Edited April 3, 20197 yr by soxfan2014
April 3, 20197 yr 7 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: MLBTR posted a poll asking when he (and Kimbrel) when sign. If he is out there past the draft (no longer have to give up compensation for him), would anyone here be ok with the Sox signing him? Personally, I think he's a better fit in the NL long-term, but if we're talking 4 years max, I might ok with it. Couldn't hurt, prefer something shorter...doubt JR, Hahn, or KW consider it though
April 3, 20197 yr 17 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said: Couldn't hurt, prefer something shorter...doubt JR, Hahn, or KW consider it though After the draft? Sure, why not?
April 3, 20197 yr Man, the draft picks are killing Kimbrel and Keuchel. This is definitely getting addressed in the next CBA - right?
April 3, 20197 yr 6 minutes ago, Quin said: Man, the draft picks are killing Kimbrel and Keuchel. This is definitely getting addressed in the next CBA - right? Definitely.
April 3, 20197 yr 1 hour ago, Tony said: It absolutely has to, it's not fair to FA's quite frankly. Can you get around that by offering him a minor league contract with a 12 million bonus for making the major league team?
April 3, 20197 yr 7 minutes ago, zisk said: Can you get around that by offering him a minor league contract with a 12 million bonus for making the major league team? While hysterical, the Astros would probably file a grievance immediately. I think what needs to be done is remove the stupid competitive balance picks and just simply sandwich in compensation picks there.
April 3, 20197 yr On 3/23/2019 at 1:10 PM, Joshua Strong said: Jackson. Yeah, that year that Jackson won his cy young was.... wait, he never did? Jackson is a ridiculous comp for Keuchel. On any level.
April 3, 20197 yr 1 hour ago, Tony said: It absolutely has to, it's not fair to FA's quite frankly. I'm shocked it wasn't fixed last time, as it did the same thing. Is there a reason they can't give the team that loses a guy a pick without taking it from another team?
April 3, 20197 yr Is draft pick compensation really the culprit here? At least with Kuechel, I wouldn’t be surprised if him & Boras simply priced themselves out of this market.
April 3, 20197 yr 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Is draft pick compensation really the culprit here? At least with Kuechel, I wouldn’t be surprised if him & Boras simply priced themselves out of this market. Kimbrel as well, the reports were that he was looking for like 6/120 at the outset of the offseason. I bet that scared teams away, they went other avenues for their money and Kimbrel ended up hung out to dry. As for the draft pick compensation, even for Keuchel, when was the last 2nd round pick that made an impact for the Sox? Edit, looked it up. Bob Wickman was the last one, and Terry Forster was the other. Those are the only two. Ever. In the history of the White Sox drafting. Edited April 3, 20197 yr by turnin' two
April 3, 20197 yr On 3/23/2019 at 10:52 AM, Jake said: If you want to compare a Sox signing of Keuchel to the Cubs pre-WS signings, would Keuchel be Edwin Jackson or Jon Lester? Somewhere in the middle . Better track record than Jackson, not as good as Lester without the Lester upside since stuff is so different.
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