2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

One other thing to keep in mind...the Phillies train in FL. I think Wheeler lives in GA. He may not be too keen on spending 6 weeks in AZ if his other choice is around the same money. So the Sox may have to bump the Phillies offer a bit. 

He isn't basing his decision on spring training. Where do people come up with this stuff?

Edited December 4, 20196 yr by chitown87

2 minutes ago, chitown87 said:

He isn't basing his decision on spring training. Where do people come up with this stuff?

If the money is similar, a lot of them do. It's one reason a lot of players live the offseason near the spring training facility. Workout facilities during the winter and an extra 6 weeks at home in the spring. 

Edited December 4, 20196 yr by Dick Allen

I won't be upset if they lose out to a 6 year bid. The risk is too high there. I will be upset if they lose out to a 5 year bid by a handful of millions (like 105 vs 110) when they wasted alot of money on Abreu. 

1 minute ago, DirtySox said:

Thanks for the insight. Anyone else kinda numb to this after last offseason? I won't be crushed if they miss out. It's Just onto the next one.

To me, it all depends on the price.  If he signs elsewhere for 5/$115M or less, I'd be pretty disappointed. I have previously said 5/$100M would be my max on Wheeler, I would be willing to stretch to 5/$115M to make it happened.  If it starts getting much over $23M AAV for 5 years or more, and you just have the looks of what could be a very bad contract if Wheeler doesn't continue his 18-19 performance.  

GUYS MAYBE ZACH WHEELER HATES HUMIDITY AND WOULD RATHER DO SPRING TRAINING IN ARIZONA. 5/100 GETS THIS THING DONE FOR THAT REASON

Just now, ChiSox59 said:

To me, it all depends on the price.  If he signs elsewhere for 5/$115M or less, I'd be pretty disappointed. I have previously said 5/$100M would be my max on Wheeler, I would be willing to stretch to 5/$115M to make it happened.  If it starts getting much over $23M AAV for 5 years or more, and you just have the looks of what could be a very bad contract if Wheeler doesn't continue his 18-19 performance.  

Yeah, this is where I'm at. Once you get into Corbin territory, the risk outweighs the reward. 

8 minutes ago, KnightsOnMintSt said:

 

This rookie didn't even provide a picture.

Handy guide 

 

I only want the White Sox to sign Wheeler if he is forced to wear number 18.

If the Sox lose out on Zack Wheeler

It's because they decided to give Jose Abreu ALL THE MONEY for no reason.

Fade me.

1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:

Yeah, this is where I'm at. Once you get into Corbin territory, the risk outweighs the reward. 

Man, that corbin contract must have completely destroyed whatever franchise signed him.

Just now, BackDoorBreach said:

If the Sox lose out on Zack Wheeler

It's because they decided to give Jose Abreu ALL THE MONEY for no reason.

Fade me.

Bad opinion. 

Just now, Jack Parkman said:

Yeah, this is where I'm at. Once you get into Corbin territory, the risk outweighs the reward. 

Yah, I mean obviously you don't sign high end FAs for surplus value.  But there is just no upside in a deal like that.  Sox need SP.  Sox need to stick their neck out a bit on Wheeler.  But they also cannot afford to massively overpay a guy.  If he ends up producing like 6-8 WAR over the course of a 6 year $130M contract, that could be a serious hindrance to this upcoming contention window from 2020-2025.  

Just now, bmags said:

Man, that corbin contract must have completely destroyed whatever franchise signed him.

Not yet, but maybe in a few years. I remember in 2005 I said to myself, just let them win the WS, I won't care if they suck for a decade. I cared.

10 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

One other thing to keep in mind...the Phillies train in FL. I think Wheeler lives in GA. He may not be too keen on spending 6 weeks in AZ if his other choice is around the same money. So the Sox may have to bump the Phillies offer a bit. 

He’s from Smyrna, so Atlanta metro.  His family would be able to see all his games against the Braves, for example...plus he’s already 100% familiar with the teams/hitters/cities in the the NL East.

Edited December 4, 20196 yr by caulfield12

2 minutes ago, bmags said:

Handy guide 

 

100% true.

13 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Not really.  I think the Sox dispelled a lot of narratives with the Grandal signing, and I fully expect them to sign at least 1 more impact FA this offseason.  Cole was never going to happen - but yes, we all know that signing the most unattainable FA on the market was the only way you'd be pleased with the offseason.  

How exactly did that contract dispel any narratives? I guess them not leaking it in advance dispels the narrative that they leak everything, but they've signed position players and even specifically DHs to contracts that are, inflation adjusted, comparable. 

And yes, after watching the last 3 teams to win the world series be the teams with Lester, Verlander, Price, and Scherzer, I think it is entirely reasonable to say that a team that wants to win the world series should be trying to attain the best pitcher on the market.

Just now, Dick Allen said:

Not yet, but maybe in a few years. I remember in 2005 I said to myself, just let them win the WS, I won't care if they suck for a decade. I cared.

Yah, its so easy to say who cares about years 5-6.  But the people who say that will definitely care when years 5 and 6 come around.  

1 minute ago, raBBit said:

Bad opinion. 

I won't change my mind no matter what facts or logic come out. So there.

1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

Not yet, but maybe in a few years. I remember in 2005 I said to myself, just let them win the WS, I won't care if they suck for a decade. I cared.

They will gladly trade all that for that World Series.. Without Corbin they don't have one.

2 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said:

If the Sox lose out on Zack Wheeler

It's because they decided to give Jose Abreu ALL THE MONEY for no reason.

Fade me.

Yep. I will personally blame Greg if we lose to someone who offered 5 years. Greg is vicariously responsible for the Abreu deal. 

1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

Not yet, but maybe in a few years. I remember in 2005 I said to myself, just let them win the WS, I won't care if they suck for a decade. I cared.

But would you trade our World Series for 10  playoff years? I sure as hell wouldn't and I would hope you wouldn't either.

Just now, ChiSox59 said:

Yah, its so easy to say who cares about years 5-6.  But the people who say that will definitely care when years 5 and 6 come around.  

If they failed to win a title in years 1-4 you are correct.

4 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said:

If the Sox lose out on Zack Wheeler

It's because they decided to give Jose Abreu ALL THE MONEY for no reason.

Fade me.

No it's not. 

1 minute ago, BackDoorBreach said:

I won't change my mind no matter what facts or logic come out. So there.

We have a cliff jumper!