January 19, 20206 yr 17 minutes ago, SoxAce said: Houston may lead the league in HBPs at this point. Good
January 19, 20206 yr 8 hours ago, caulfield12 said: According to an ESPN poll, 53% of respondents wanted Astros’ WS title stripped, 50% the Red Sox the following year. In other words, fans who didn't win the world series want to undo the world series. Shocker.
January 19, 20206 yr 10 hours ago, SoxAce said: Houston may lead the league in HBPs at this point. In the days before warnings and suspensions, the players would have done this in 2017.
January 19, 20206 yr 15 hours ago, oldsox said: No, he didn't. He kicked ass. He got everyone's attention. There is no perfect solution. Just STFU and let him do his job, which he is doing. Perfection will not happen. dont tell me to stfu, grow up
January 19, 20206 yr I will note that Bregman and Altuve both vehemently deny the buzzers, but everything else is a "no comment" or a "now is not the appropriate time to talk about that," which for me is tantamount to admitting it's all true.
January 20, 20206 yr https://sports.yahoo.com/astros-stars-let-others-take-blame-for-a-player-driven-sign-stealing-scheme-235902497.html
January 20, 20206 yr Look, this is a terrible scandal. Teams got caught cheating. Astros and Red Sox should have titles stripped and/or not be allowed in the MLB draft for five years. Cheating is fine. You get caught you pay.
January 20, 20206 yr 8 hours ago, caulfield12 said: https://sports.yahoo.com/astros-stars-let-others-take-blame-for-a-player-driven-sign-stealing-scheme-235902497.html Players sounded like a bunch of arrogant wimps. They don't seem to have any idea what this scandal means and probably don't care. Hope they don't get near that World Series they seem to think they are entitled to.
January 20, 20206 yr 9 hours ago, greg775 said: Look, this is a terrible scandal. Teams got caught cheating. Astros and Red Sox should have titles stripped and/or not be allowed in the MLB draft for five years. Cheating is fine. You get caught you pay. That’s like the death penalty for SMU football in the late 80’s. Never going to happen...the owners care more about maintaining escalating franchise valuations. https://www.yahoo.com/news/should-the-astros-lose-their-world-series-title-174048506.html Vacate Allowing them to keep the title vindicates cheating “Do you know what wasn’t suspended? The Astros’ World Series banner. Do you know what wasn’t fired? Their World Series rings. ...Is it worth it? Unless MLB decides to vacate their title, it’s hard to say it wasn’t.” — Mike Oz, Yahoo Sports The Dodgers deserve to be remembered fairly in record books “The Astros should be forced to hand the Commissioner’s Trophy back to Commissioner Rob Manfred right now, vacate the title and forever leave that space in the record books as empty as the organization’s integrity. The Dodgers didn’t win it on the field, but history should forever note that nobody beat them.” — Bill Plaschke, Los Angeles Times Vacating the title would be a lasting punishment worthy of the offense “Make them take down the banner at Minute Maid Park and vacate all records of their title. If you don’t think that hurts, ask the players from the 2004 USC football team how they feel about the Trojans being forced to return the national championship trophy because of NCAA rules violations.” — Bob Brookover, Philadelphia Inquirer There’s no question that cheating directly contributed to their victory “Let’s keep it real, they have a championship that there's a good chance they don’t deserve. We can say with confidence that the Astros cheated on the playing field and therefore didn’t deserve that World Series ring.” — Chris Broussard, Fox Sports Edited January 20, 20206 yr by caulfield12
January 20, 20206 yr https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/01/the-astros-scandal-rewrites-a-decade-of-mlb-history/605185/?utm_medium=offsite&utm_source=yahoo&utm_campaign=yahoo-non-hosted&yptr=yahoo
January 20, 20206 yr 2 hours ago, NWINFan said: Players sounded like a bunch of arrogant wimps. They don't seem to have any idea what this scandal means and probably don't care. Hope they don't get near that World Series they seem to think they are entitled to. Every team should just get real passive aggressive with how Astros players are handling this and hand out either miniature drums or tiny trash cans when playing the Astros.
January 20, 20206 yr On 1/18/2020 at 11:59 PM, SoxAce said: Houston may lead the league in HBPs at this point. Bregman is such a douche bag, and I've maintained that well before all this stuff
January 20, 20206 yr 52 minutes ago, Quin said: Every team should just get real passive aggressive with how Astros players are handling this and hand out either miniature drums or tiny trash cans when playing the Astros. That's good. " Bang your trash can day" at comiskey. Could be a sell out.
January 20, 20206 yr 1 hour ago, ptatc said: That's good. " Bang your trash can day" at comiskey. Could be a sell out. Isn't that what they do at every game at Oakland Coliseum?
January 20, 20206 yr 1 minute ago, mqr said: Is he calling out stroman here? I'm confused. No hes agreeing with him and calling out the astros
January 20, 20206 yr 2 minutes ago, mqr said: Is he calling out stroman here? I'm confused. I think he’s just agreeing. Stroman should probably cool it with the integrity stuff. He’s a juicer. Edited January 20, 20206 yr by flavum
January 23, 20206 yr Not having read this entire thread, perhaps this has already been suggested, but why can't pitchers and catchers utilize a similar means of electronic communication, to eliminate future sign stealing? Putting down fingers seems like a pretty antiquated method of communication, in this modern digital age. That would be a completely appropriate use of the technology and eliminate the ability of teams to steal signs. As for the appropriateness of the punishments handed down by the Commissioner; As long as the perpetrators keep their World Series titles, it doesn't seem like justice has really been served here. Managers and GM's get fired all of the time, for doing nothing wrong, beyond failing to produce. That is not a harsh punishment and not sufficient to deter future violations. Beyond the deterrent issue, the fact is that the Astros, and perhaps the Red Sox, did not fairly earn their championships. That fact is not being addressed, by simply suspending a few people for one year. Well, I'm sure that has all been expressed by others, but that's my take.
January 23, 20206 yr 1 hour ago, Lillian said: Not having read this entire thread, perhaps this has already been suggested, but why can't pitchers and catchers utilize a similar means of electronic communication, to eliminate future sign stealing? Putting down fingers seems like a pretty antiquated method of communication, in this modern digital age. That would be a completely appropriate use of the technology and eliminate the ability of teams to steal signs. As for the appropriateness of the punishments handed down by the Commissioner; As long as the perpetrators keep their World Series titles, it doesn't seem like justice has really been served here. Managers and GM's get fired all of the time, for doing nothing wrong, beyond failing to produce. That is not a harsh punishment and not sufficient to deter future violations. Beyond the deterrent issue, the fact is that the Astros, and perhaps the Red Sox, did not fairly earn their championships. That fact is not being addressed, by simply suspending a few people for one year. Well, I'm sure that has all been expressed by others, but that's my take. Someone would figure out a way to jam or distort signals (or hack into the comms)...yeah, I don’t think the LA City Council or state legislators claiming the 2017 and 18 WS trophies will have much of an impact. Edited January 23, 20206 yr by caulfield12
January 23, 20206 yr 58 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Someone would figure out a way to jam or distort signals (or hack into the comms)...yeah, I don’t think the LA City Council or state legislators claiming the 2017 and 18 WS trophies will have much of an impact. So the nfl has the technology but mlb cannot?
January 23, 20206 yr 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Someone would figure out a way to jam or distort signals (or hack into the comms)...yeah, I don’t think the LA City Council or state legislators claiming the 2017 and 18 WS trophies will have much of an impact. I'm not qualified to address the technological challenges, but I suspect that a secure means of communication could be achieved.
January 23, 20206 yr 2 hours ago, Lillian said: As for the appropriateness of the punishments handed down by the Commissioner; As long as the perpetrators keep their World Series titles, it doesn't seem like justice has really been served here. Managers and GM's get fired all of the time, for doing nothing wrong, beyond failing to produce. That is not a harsh punishment and not sufficient to deter future violations. Beyond the deterrent issue, the fact is that the Astros, and perhaps the Red Sox, did not fairly earn their championships. That fact is not being addressed, by simply suspending a few people for one year. Well, I'm sure that has all been expressed by others, but that's my take. I agree with in spirit for most of this, but I really think a detailed investigation has to occur before any more punishment (if any) is handed out. The problem here is similar to other baseball scandals. MLB tends to look the other way, things blow up, and there is no real policy in hand to deal with the situation. The industry and the union need to get together to hammer out things regarding this and other kinds of cheating. There will always be some kind cheating or shading things. But certain things can't be tolerated and long-term action needs to be taken to provide real deterrence. Fans pay to go to games. They are entitled not to be cheated.
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