Here's how I'm evaluating any trade for this year. 

Which player do I want on the road in game 6 of the world series? If it's the guy we got, I'm fine with the trade.  If I don't want the guy that left, even better. 

I can't think of a guy that fits that mold that isn't also a guy to get us to that point. 

2 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I love Dunning, but ultimately he was not in the top tier in the Sox’s view.  I think they still have Cease and Kopech ahead of him, and they like Crochet and Kelley more as well. Plus, he’s 26.  Maybe we’ve seen his upside?  It’s a great trade for the Rangers, but I can see why the Sox would do it. 

He also missed all of 2019 due to TJ and no minor league games in 2020 to work his way back from. Don't think we saw his complete upside.

Having said that, I don't hate the move.

5 hours ago, fathom said:

What about a finish of Joc, Q, Hendriks and Flowers....would that be ok?

I like Joc + Hendriks, just not a huge fan of what Q brings to the table at this point.  His Statcast numbers were pretty ugly this year.

7 hours ago, YourWhatHurts said:

Garbage deal

Fuck you reinsdorf

It's game 3 in the playoffs vs xxxxx , winner advances , loser goes home . Who do we pitch coach ? Dunning ? or Lynn !!!

When Katz never mentioned Dunning’s name in the interview with Parkins, right than I had a gut feeling that he was going to be traded. You just kind of got the sense of who Katz was excited to be working with, etc. 

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Lynn’s War stat last 2 years is #3 in baseball, he also has pitched most innings. Nothing not too like here.

If you think this is overpaying,  wait until the trade deadline and the team needs a piece.  You got two old timers in key decision making positions who want that feeling one more time. There is no 2022 in their plans. 

5 hours ago, longshot7 said:

I heard a Rangers podcast speculate Lynn might be willing to extend if traded to the right place.  We'll see. -- not like the Sox to trade for a rental without a plan.

If they can extend Lynn for two more years, that puts the pitching staff in a pretty damn good spot in the near term to be completely honest.

I hate this deal. Rotation piece for rotation piece, this team needs just as much starting pitching as it did yesterday. The only difference is it now needs even more next year.

Absolutely brutal roster building.

4 hours ago, Jose Abreu said:

I'm pretty much down the middle on this move. I really liked Dunning but Lynn is awesome and it feels good to be on this side of trades again. Hoping we can extend him for another year or two though. Lynn, Joc, and Q would be a good offseason. All three are very underrated on this board IMO

I truly feel with this move they go out and add an impact reliever like Hendriks as well.

1 hour ago, Baron said:

1 hour ago, Baron said:

I can’t believe I just read this move doesn’t fill any holes. 

In truth, it kinda doesn't. There was a hole in the rotation and we moved a piece of the rotation to address it. Granted, it will be easier to fill a hole at SP4 than at SP2.

The bigger concern for me is that, as it stands now, after 2021 we'll be without both Dunning AND Lynn.

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7 hours ago, wegner said:

Now open up the f$@#ing wallet and sign Bauer!!

This is just the kind of move that would make us look like we are serious about winning to Bauer.

1 minute ago, oneofthemikes said:

In truth, it kinda doesn't. There was a hole in the rotation and we moved a piece of the rotation to address it. Granted, it will be easier to fill a hole at SP4 than at SP2.

Yeah see that's why context matters. It's not a linear move. One pitcher right now is far far better than the other. 

Just now, poppysox said:

This is just the kind of move that would make us look like we are serious about winning to Bauer.

It sucks that JR doesn’t see it the same way. 

4 hours ago, Jose Abreu said:

I'm pretty much down the middle on this move. I really liked Dunning but Lynn is awesome and it feels good to be on this side of trades again. Hoping we can extend him for another year or two though. Lynn, Joc, and Q would be a good offseason. All three are very underrated on this board IMO

This sums up my feelings as well. I think Dunning is gonna be a very solid #3 but it will be a while before he's really pushing that. By then the Sox would have Kopech, Crochet and possibly a fixed Cease already in line with higher ceilings. I would still think the Sox will be inclined to work out an extension with Lynn, him at the back of the rotation wouldn't be bad at all.

Go get Brantley/Joc, another starter, and Hendriks and go win the ALC and beyond

The trade  reconfirms that the Sox are in a win now mode ....as in win in 2021.

That strategy requires a myopic view  of our talent pool that we are not used to having.

 

 

 

32 minutes ago, bmags said:

Disagree there, Franco is a generational prospect. He's like adding an Acuna or Soto to a team that won a world series.

He’s 19. He great but assuming he will produce like Acuna or Soto in 2021 is a big assumption. Moncada was a generational talent too and struggled mightily as a 22 year old rookie.

17 minutes ago, Texsox said:

If you think this is overpaying,  wait until the trade deadline and the team needs a piece.  You got two old timers in key decision making positions who want that feeling one more time. There is no 2022 in their plans. 

And as fathom has mentioned repeatedly, I’d be thrilled if this team is one and done like the cubs (in terms of World Series wins within this contention window).

Hold on, why are people mad about this? ? Dunning is a 4 at best. This site is toxic af these days. 

Edited December 8, 20205 yr by TaylorStSox

12 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

He’s 19. He great but assuming he will produce like Acuna or Soto in 2021 is a big assumption. Moncada was a generational talent too and struggled mightily as a 22 year old rookie.

Moncada had swing and miss issues. Franco has a contact tool like Madrigal except has power. He has an insanely good approach.

8 hours ago, yesterday333 said:

Booooooooooooooooooo

Hey GM ... I will give you Eaton ...you give us Giolito , Lopez ....and .... Lance Lynn !!!      OK  ???

5 hours ago, longshot7 said:

I heard a Rangers podcast speculate Lynn might be willing to extend if traded to the right place.  We'll see. -- not like the Sox to trade for a rental without a plan.

No one is better at the extension game than Hahn.  

7 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

If Dunning is worth 2.5 WAR per season for the Rangers and Lynn is worth 5 WAR in 2021 and walks after this year they still traded away 10 WAR for nothing over 6 years. 

Reynaldo Lopez was worth 2.7 WAR in 2019. This is ridiculous. 

I love this post because it doesn't make the point it thinks it does.

11 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

Hold on, why are people mad about this? ? Dunning is a 4 at best. This site is toxic af these days. 

It's very very toxic, horrible in fact. You should definitely avoid it.

14 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

And as fathom has mentioned repeatedly, I’d be thrilled if this team is one and done like the cubs (in terms of World Series wins within this contention window).

Seven different teams have won the last seven World Series.  One and done is the standard in the current MLB.