May 28, 20214 yr Looks like a good draft pick by the Sox. Good little hitter. Seems like the kind of guy who is only going to get better and be a guy that gets on base at a productive clip. If he can stay healthy he should have a nice career. Not everybody has to hit 20 home runs. He's going to be a better than average second baseman offensively and hopefully average defensively.
May 28, 20214 yr Madrigal now has a 117 wRC+ and is on pace for 3.0 fWAR over the full season. If he can tighten up the defense a bit further he will be a pretty nice little player.
May 28, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Madrigal now has a 117 wRC+ and is on pace for 3.0 fWAR over the full season. If he can tighten up the defense a bit further he will be a pretty nice little player. Stone mentioned something about him making an adjustment with how he stands in the batters box tonight.
May 28, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Stone mentioned something about him making an adjustment with how he stands in the batters box tonight. I wonder when that adjustment was made. The first 2 weeks of May saw Madrigal hitting with a sub 500 OPS, look where he is now in the last 30 games. Crazy good production lately. Madrigal leading off in front of Tim would be an interesting play: Madrigal Anderson Moncada Abreu Grandal Mercedes Vaughn Garcia Mendick/Hamilton That is a lineup worth putting out there for a few games to see how it clicks.
May 28, 20214 yr I think Madrigal works better behind TA rather than in front. TA is faster and better base runner and Madrigal is a better hit/run guy.
May 28, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: I think Madrigal works better behind TA rather than in front. TA is faster and better base runner and Madrigal is a better hit/run guy. I wish they would hit and run more often in general.
May 28, 20214 yr 38 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: I think Madrigal works better behind TA rather than in front. TA is faster and better base runner and Madrigal is a better hit/run guy. Thats true, either way I would like to see Madrigal spend more time in top whether it be 1 or 2.
May 28, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, reiks12 said: Thats true, either way I would like to see Madrigal spend more time in top whether it be 1 or 2. With Eaton not hitting much and everyone else out, he should be in the 2-hole.
May 28, 20214 yr Without Eloy/Robert, the lineup is kind of a free for all but when this team is right, Madrigal should be in the #9 spot. Players Madrigal is currently outslugging (minimum 100 PAs) - Vaughn, Moncada, Grandal and Eaton.
May 28, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, SoxFanForever said: he has gotten better lately at 2nd then earlier in the year - some of these "runs saved" stats that everyone accepts now are a bit of a head scratcher to me. the new era of subjective stats.
May 28, 20214 yr 35 minutes ago, harkness99 said: he has gotten better lately at 2nd then earlier in the year - some of these "runs saved" stats that everyone accepts now are a bit of a head scratcher to me. the new era of subjective stats. What are you getting at? That you don't understand them and are therefore BS or just don't understand?
May 28, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, Baron said: What are you getting at? That you don't understand them and are therefore BS or just don't understand? And here I thought we passed the point of mocking people who disagree with some metrics by saying they "don't understand them" like 10 years ago. Oh well.
May 29, 20214 yr Runs saved seems very situational, doesn’t it? If Madrigal’s defensive range costs a hit on a play where the Sox are up big or down big, it’s seemingly inconsequential to the result. Am I wrong in that assumption?
May 29, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, Baron said: What are you getting at? That you don't understand them and are therefore BS or just don't understand? I understand it fine... Sabermetrics are interesting but some of them really try to statistically prove things that fall into the realm of opinion. runs saved isn't a meaningless stat - it's just also subjective in some way.
May 29, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: Runs saved seems very situational, doesn’t it? If Madrigal’s defensive range costs a hit on a play where the Sox are up big or down big, it’s seemingly inconsequential to the result. Am I wrong in that assumption? sure, but that's not measuring his talent. "runs saved" is basically just some translation of outs to runs. Tango has the math done and so do many others. But you don't need a degree in stats to see that Madrigal is a mediocre 2B at best. Maybe he can get better, but it's going to take a lot of work. To be fair, he's really still a rookie and many rookies to improve defensively, even mediocre tools ones.
May 29, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, harkness99 said: I understand it fine... Sabermetrics are interesting but some of them really try to statistically prove things that fall into the realm of opinion. runs saved isn't a meaningless stat - it's just also subjective in some way. It isn't totally accurate -- or, more precisely, it doesn't track 1:1 with what it attempts to measure -- but it isn't at all "subjective."
May 29, 20214 yr Just now, chitownsportsfan said: sure, but that's not measuring his talent. "runs saved" is basically just some translation of outs to runs. Tango has the math done and so do many others. But you don't need a degree in stats to see that Madrigal is a mediocre 2B at best. Maybe he can get better, but it's going to take a lot of work. To be fair, he's really still a rookie and many rookies to improve defensively, even mediocre tools ones. i will say that madrigal has been better than he was earlier in the year
May 29, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, harkness99 said: i will say that madrigal has been better than he was earlier in the year I would say he's been barely tolerable overall. The play in the Yankees game was just last week.
May 29, 20214 yr Just now, Eminor3rd said: It isn't totally accurate -- or, more precisely, it doesn't track 1:1 with what it attempts to measure -- but it isn't at all "subjective." by subjective i mean its based on the analysis on what a better than average play is... ect ect. I know they try to break it down into parts but its still trying to quantify an opinion of what these plays are.... This isn't new to baseball.. i mean if an error is made, people will often disagree if it was an error or not. I'm not saying it has no value by any means.
May 29, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said: I would say he's been barely tolerable overall. The play in the Yankees game was just last week. might have missed that one.. some of that series put me to sleep.
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