July 28, 20214 yr Just now, Jack Parkman said: I know Luzardo has been ass this year, but this is like trading Cease last year. If these are the prices then idk how the Sox can get anything done really. Oh for the love of god.
July 28, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I know Luzardo has been ass this year, but this is like trading Cease last year. If these are the prices then idk how the Sox can get anything done really. The Marlins are paying Marte's entire salary. A's can't take on payroll so they have to give up Luzardo to get a piece. Sox can take on salary.
July 28, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I know Luzardo has been ass this year, but this is like trading Cease last year. If these are the prices then idk how the Sox can get anything done really. Luzardo has sucked harder this year than Cease did last year.
July 28, 20214 yr Great trade for the Marlins. I know Luzardo was trash this year, but it's way too early to give up on him.
July 28, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, ron883 said: Luzardo has sucked harder this year than Cease did last year. Luzardo has sucked about as hard as Cease did in 2019 when he got called up. That is the equivalent. Edited July 28, 20214 yr by Jack Parkman
July 28, 20214 yr Just now, Jack Parkman said: Luzardo has sucked about as hard as Cease did in 2019 when he got called up. Cease up 0.7 fWAR in less than half a season, Luzard has been worth -0.3 fWAR this year. It’s not even remotely similar.
July 28, 20214 yr Just now, Jack Parkman said: Luzardo has sucked about as hard as Cease did in 2019 when he got called up. That is the equivalent. You said last year, not 2019. A prospect sucking his first year up is way different than a guy sucking in is 2nd full season up, from an experience and years-controlled standpoint.
July 28, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, ron883 said: You said last year, not 2019. A prospect sucking his first year up is way different than a guy sucking in is 2nd full season up, from an experience and years-controlled standpoint. This is Luzardo's first full season. I meant 2019. Edited July 28, 20214 yr by Jack Parkman
July 28, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Luzardo has sucked about as hard as Cease did in 2019 when he got called up. That is the equivalent. More like trading ReyLo in 2019. Edit: Which even then is a stretch, but I don't have easy comparisons that can reach your permanently pessimistic wavelengths.
July 28, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, Baron said: That's a high price for 2 months of Marte. If you buy that teams know their own guys better than anyone else, perhaps OAK has really soured on the guy and doesn't think his struggles are a fluke.
July 28, 20214 yr Definitely worth a gamble for Miami. At the very least, maybe he's a lefty out of the pen. Plus, bonus, he's a local kid.
July 28, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Definitely worth a gamble for Miami. At the very least, maybe he's a lefty out of the pen. Plus, bonus, he's a local kid. Worth the gamble, but I don't think he will ever live up to his billing. He was awful in AAA as well as the majors.
July 28, 20214 yr Luzardo is a very, very good return for Marte and paying $4mm. Look at Giolito from year to the next. Or Cease. Sometimes all these guys need is a change of pace or team. One slight tweak and they're a star. Personally I'm a fan of this trade for the Marlins. They tried extending Marte at like 3/39 and he said no. I think that's a fair price on Marte. You move on and you get yourself a nice lottery ticket with significant upside. They now have: Alcantara Rogers Pablo Lopez Eleiser Hernandez Max Meyer Edward Cabrera Jesus Luzardo That's SEVEN! deep of really nice arms. And not only that ... all arms that have either performed in the majors or at AAA. I wouldn't actually surprised if Luzardo opens them up to trading a Rogers or Alcantara for a nice return of prospect bats. Ng and Jeter have that team on the cusp. They are a few FA signings away from being a team on the up and up. I wouldn't be surprised to see Anthony Rizzo sign on and go back to Miami area to finish his career. Maybe even Baez somewhere in the IF. You then have: 1b: Rizzo/Aguilar 2b: Jazz Chisolm (who i think has the makings of being an annual all star SS: Javy Baez 3b - Miguel Rojas OF: Garret Cooper/Brian Anderson/Jesus Sanchez (really weak here .... brinson, etc) would need a nice FA signing in CF C - meh - alfaro With that rotation 7 deep? if you trade an alcantara for a stud CF prospect + some other pieces? if the marlines are ready to spend some money they have the makings of being a real darkhorse to win a division or pennant next year... they just need 2-3 bats and with some many impact SS available that could be anywhere from Correa, Semien, Story, Baez, etc. etc.
July 28, 20214 yr I forgot about Sixto! EIGHT! deep. lawd. ? That team is set up for me to put a nice $25 or $50 wager at like +4000 to win the World Series next year. That type of pitching depth is hard to come by.
July 28, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: I forgot about Sixto! EIGHT! deep. lawd. ? That team is set up for me to put a nice $25 or $50 wager at like +4000 to win the World Series next year. That type of pitching depth is hard to come by. Currently Rogers and Sixto on the IL, Cabrera just came off the IL. They have built quite the pitching rotation talent... let's see if they can keep them healthy.
July 28, 20214 yr This is getting Lucas Giolito after 2018 by paying cash and giving up a good expiring contract. This is a freaking steal.
July 28, 20214 yr This is a CRAZY trade for the A's.. The equivalent is trading Giolito after his first year for a rental. Both top 10 prospects at the time, both serious issues. CRAZY. We'd be livid if we did that for a rental. Great trade for the Marlins.
July 28, 20214 yr Just now, southsider2k5 said: This is getting Lucas Giolito after 2018 by paying cash and giving up a good expiring contract. This is a freaking steal. This is a good move for the Marlins, but Giolito’s turnaround was mostly unprecedented. Luzardo could very well take a major step forward next year, but far from a guarantee.
July 28, 20214 yr Just now, Chicago White Sox said: This is a good move for the Marlins, but Giolito’s turnaround was mostly unprecedented. Luzardo could very well take a major step forward next year, but far from a guarantee. And neither is any other prospect. But you aren't going to get any higher ceiling of a player in a deal like this.
July 28, 20214 yr Difference to me is Luzardo had had a lot of injuries. As are pretty good at assessments, but I like the trade for both teams. The group that moved to the Marlins from the Yankees were very good, and now you see cashman really struggling, it makes you think.
July 28, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And neither is any other prospect. But you aren't going to get any higher ceiling of a player in a deal like this. 100% agree with that
July 28, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: This is a good move for the Marlins, but Giolito’s turnaround was mostly unprecedented. Luzardo could very well take a major step forward next year, but far from a guarantee. Maybe ... but it's not like Luzardo hasn't already had success at the majors. Luzardo had tossed 70IP of under 4FIP ball entering this year ... at the ages of 21 and 22. I'd guess that this years wildness was the outlier and will return to a top prospect soon.
July 28, 20214 yr 44 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This is getting Lucas Giolito after 2018 by paying cash and giving up a good expiring contract. This is a freaking steal. Better Comp.
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