7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I don't know where the Cubs and Sox valued players,  but if I am the Cubs, I would have rather had Burger than Madrigal. 

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Conversation came up last night. Is Kimbrel a HOFer? Probably not but he does feel like one. 
 

probably the best reliever since Rivera

14 minutes ago, mqr said:

Conversation came up last night. Is Kimbrel a HOFer? Probably not but he does feel like one. 
 

probably the best reliever since Rivera

Definitely if he keeps it up

1 hour ago, hi8is said:

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I'd agree.  Madrigal is a massive health concern with a ceiling that is arguable.

17 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:

I'd agree.  Madrigal is a massive health concern with a ceiling that is arguable.

I think Madrigal has a high floor and low ceiling with injury concerns.

Almost every major league player or pitcher gets injured at some point, and some end up having numerous surgical procedures, especially pitchers.Grandal has been hurt since Spring Training. He had a recent surgery  and had back issues last year, Burger had  two torn Achilles. Engel hamstring injury and re-injury has put him on the shelf most of the year, Eloy with the torn pec in the Spring and the recent groin injury. Luis Robert hand injuries and the leg injury this year. The concern for injury often gets exaggerated but even is it isn't,  you let these guys play and whatever happens is going to happen. It is part of the game.

The thing many are wondering because of so many hamstring  and leg injuries this year, is whether players are properly conditioned and whether they warm up enough before games.

Should Heuer go ahead and have his TJS now or wait until he actually gets injured?

22 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:

I'd agree.  Madrigal is a massive health concern with a ceiling that is arguable.

Madrigal is a health concern and Burger isn’t?

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

I don't know where the Cubs and Sox valued players,  but if I am the Cubs, I would have rather had Burger than Madrigal. 

Your identity has been discovered:

 

Edited July 31, 20214 yr by hi8is

I hate to admit it but the Cubs did very well in starting their rebuild and if they tank they will get high first and second round Draft picks,

Ricketss has unlimited money to salt the roster with free agents, including re-sgning  a few of the old guys including Bryant who already indicated he would consider signing with the Cubs next year.

14 minutes ago, tray said:

Bryant who already indicated he would consider signing with the Cubs next year.

Yea - that’s not happening.

1 hour ago, Harry Chappas said:

I'd agree.  Madrigal is a massive health concern with a ceiling that is arguable.

And Jake burger is….?

2 minutes ago, FriendlyNorthsider said:

And Jake burger is….?

Much stronger than Nick. Jake Burger would kick Nick Madrigal's ass. 

I’m sure they’re not betting on Wisdom repeating.

Either Burger wasn’t made available or Hahn didn’t like the returns on him and Sheets.

The acquisition of Cesar Hernandez likely change Hahn's calculation.

2 hours ago, tray said:

The acquisition of Cesar Hernandez likely change Hahn's calculation.

At this point it is what it is, but Cesar Hernandez shouldn’t change anything. Dudes an average player. The only way I would not be disappointed with as him our 2B next year is if the Sox make a big move in RF like Conforto. 

Ready to see Kimbrel hopefully make it all worth it. Cause Nicky is gonna be a good ball player for a long time. 

2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

At this point it is what it is, but Cesar Hernandez shouldn’t change anything. Dudes an average player. The only way I would not be disappointed with as him our 2B next year is if the Sox make a big move in RF like Conforto. 

Ready to see Kimbrel hopefully make it all worth it. Cause Nicky is gonna be a good ball player for a long time. 

Hernandez doesn't change anything?  I disagree.

Hernandez might be a better defender than Madrigal and he is on pace to hit 25+ home runs.

I was a fan of Madrigal, did not like the trade, but it is what it is so we move on.

 

5 hours ago, tray said:

Hernandez doesn't change anything?  I disagree.

Hernandez might be a better defender than Madrigal and he is on pace to hit 25+ home runs.

I was a fan of Madrigal, did not like the trade, but it is what it is so we move on.

 

Home runs are great and all but when your OBP is .300 and OPS+ and wRC+ say you’re an average hitter even with the home runs, it is a little less exciting. Cesar is a fine 9 hitter and 2B. But he’s a sizable downgrade from Madrigal at 2B in 22. But yes, it is what it is and he’s our guy now I guess. Certainly prefer Cesar to Leury for the rest of 21. 

19 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Home runs are great and all but when your OBP is .300 and OPS+ and wRC+ say you’re an average hitter even with the home runs, it is a little less exciting. Cesar is a fine 9 hitter and 2B. But he’s a sizable downgrade from Madrigal at 2B in 22. But yes, it is what it is and he’s our guy now I guess. Certainly prefer Cesar to Leury for the rest of 21. 

How do you know how many games he will be able to play when he pulled the hamstring so completely?

Have a hard time imagining him suddenly being a 3.5-4.0 fWAR player when he can never seem to avoid injuries.

14 hours ago, FriendlyNorthsider said:

And Jake burger is….?

He had one injury Madrigal 3

1 hour ago, Harry Chappas said:

He had one injury Madrigal 3

He had two injuries. And they were both massive. 

3 minutes ago, Marqhead said:

He had two injuries. And they were both massive. 

And was coming off of another injury when we drafted him.

14 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

Cause Nicky is gonna be a good ball player for a long time. 

I will reserve judgement until he plays a full season. 

19 hours ago, tray said:

I hate to admit it but the Cubs did very well in starting their rebuild and if they tank they will get high first and second round Draft picks,

Ricketss has unlimited money to salt the roster with free agents, including re-sgning  a few of the old guys including Bryant who already indicated he would consider signing with the Cubs next year.

with the MLB ready players they acquired, I'm not sure there will be a tank for more than this year.

I think Madrigal is a better defender than he's shown, but in order to he a "good" player, he has to play excellent defense. If he plays average defense, he's only a serviceable player.