13 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

Said another way - I think all the noise of past two hours is just jockeying for final bit of leverage on both sides. We will see things hunker down and get more serious again tonight.

I don’t think there is a tonight. Apparently this was a final offer

39 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

$225/$227.5/$230/$232.5/$235 seems reasonable enough.  Both sides should be able to make that part happen.  Its a joke if not.  Its rather immaterial difference in the beginning.  

If the CBT threshold is currently $210MM, here's the sequence of 5% raises/year:

2022: $220.5MM

2023: $231.525MM

2024: $243.1MM

2025: $255MM

2026: $268MM.

 

By contrast, the previous CBA went: 195/197/206/208/210.

% increases were: 1%, 4.69%, 1%, and 1%. IOW, a 7.69% increase over 5 years, whereas inflation averaged ~3.25% in the US. The MLBPA got robbed last CBA.

Numbers don't lie.

Edited March 1, 20224 yr by Two-Gun Pete

 

36 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Good to know that Jerry is willing to derail his own team's championship window for the second time in his ownership tenure so they can break the MLBPA. Priorities. 

I don't think it is the JRs of baseball leading this mess.

Just now, ChiSox59 said:

It’s better than $0. Which is what tbe bonus pool has always been. A $130k raise for all pre arb players and a bonus pool (for a small number of elite pre arb players) is a nice move in the right direction. Wish MLB was willing to go to $230m on the CBT and $15-20M higher on the bonus pool, but doesn’t appear to be in the cards.

I can agree with you that the MLBPA should be more interested in raising the league minimum for 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players than the bonus pool stuff. 

It's weird how the MLBPA looks out more for the superstars than the rank and file. That's also a problem. 

 

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I don't think it is the JRs of baseball leading this mess.

We won't know for years. JR has a long history of being on the wrong side of this bullshit, even on the Manfred commish vote relatively recently. He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. 

If it is reported later that he wasn't part of the group playing hardball, I'll give him credit for learning his lesson from '94. 

Edited March 1, 20224 yr by Jack Parkman

 

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1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:

We won't know for years. JR has a long history of being on the wrong side of this bullshit, even on the Manfred commish vote relatively recently. He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. 

Based on the underlying issues and the talk about who is leading this charge, none of those fit White Sox ownership.

2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

We won't know for years. JR has a long history of being on the wrong side of this bullshit, even on the Manfred commish vote relatively recently. He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. 

Why blame him for something you have no clue if he’s at fault?  This is all about small and mid-market teams.

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

Based on the underlying issues and the talk about who is leading this charge, none of those fit White Sox ownership.

Won’t stop him from blaming Jerry for the next few months

This fucking sucks. What a whirlwind of 36 hours. Really just want some baseball. 

13 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

I think its fair to say MLB was never interested in finding a deal.

That's also an offer below what had been reported at multiple stages last night. Bullshit is stinking somewhere... either in that this is their final offer... or in what was reported last night... or on both sides of that road. Fuck the owners up the ass. With a giant cucumber... no wait, that's too nice.

Fuck the owners up the ass with a chef's knife.

If MLB is truly okay with cancelling a month of games, I think that's what we're going to see.  Who knows when they'll actually get together again and negotiate.

Question is, will the league cancel games in blocks of one week or just cancel games until May 1st?

4 minutes ago, fathom said:

Why blame him for something you have no clue if he’s at fault?  This is all about small and mid-market teams.

His history. 

Jerry thinks he owns a mid-market team. 

Jerry only re-signs his players if they'll give a hometown discount. 

They have never actually signed a 9 figure contract. (I know about Wheeler) 

I don't know for sure that he's in the asshole owner group but I am very suspicious. 

Edited March 1, 20224 yr by Jack Parkman

Just now, hogan873 said:

If MLB is truly okay with cancelling a month of games, I think that's what we're going to see.  Who knows when they'll actually get together again and negotiate.

Question is, will the league cancel games in blocks of one week or just cancel games until May 1st?

At this rate, we may see a Crosstown Classic Opening Day.

5 minutes ago, Quin said:

 

Where is this private financial information being sourced from and why didn’t they include 2020? 

6 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

We won't know for years. JR has a long history of being on the wrong side of this bullshit, even on the Manfred commish vote relatively recently. He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. 

If it is reported later that he wasn't part of the group playing hardball, I'll give him credit for learning his lesson from '94. 

Are you defending ManClown? 

 

MLB Network just announced the players unanimously rejected the deal offered by MLB.

10 minutes ago, fathom said:

Why blame him for something you have no clue if he’s at fault?  This is all about small and mid-market teams.

Exactly.  I get Jerry has his issues, but he isn't the anti-Christ or anything.  This doesn't even fit.

 

Just now, Tnetennba said:

 

Stand your ground MLBPA.

This fucking blows.

14 minutes ago, raBBit said:

Where is this private financial information being sourced from and why didn’t they include 2020? 

It's covered in this article and I dunno, I'm not Enos Sarris.

https://theathletic.com/3111064/2022/02/04/lets-talk-about-cba-issues-competitive-balance-tax/