2020 offseason:

Grandal
Keuchel
Encarnacion
Cishek
Gio Gonzalez
Ivan Nova (very minor)
Nomar Mazara

None of this started at the 2021 trade deadline.

1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

You know, it’s kinda both. They had to go buy both utility guys and an entire bullpen because they’ve basically failed to develop both, and they traded away guys who could fill important roles, so they’re overpaying for both trying to bring them up to good enough. 

The inability to develop a 2 win middle IF to hit 9th and make the league minimum is really bad in itself, and spending this much on two utility guys is mind boggling. This team is stacked with old trade hauls and a few good Cubans, and outside of that this pretty much the Royals. I don't understand how Hahn could be so good at sell-side trading and so bad at the buying side and these smaller finishing moves. Player development has to turn around quickly or else the franchise will fall from contention in a couple years. But you expect that they'll trade away more prospects or younger assets both now and in July. So e.g. you wouldn't be all that surprised if instead of having a future of Vaughn and Sheets as a young/good/cheap combo at 1B/DH, they'll both be moved in trades and then of course they'll re-sign Abreu. 

Edited March 16, 20224 yr by KBX

5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

2020 offseason:

Grandal
Keuchel
Encarnacion
Cishek
Gio Gonzalez
Ivan Nova (very minor)
Nomar Mazara

None of this started at the 2021 trade deadline.

Now do this past offseason.

4 minutes ago, KBX said:

The inability to develop a 2 win middle IF to hit 9th and make the league minimum is really bad in itself, and spending this much on two utility guys is mind boggling. This team is stacked with old trade hauls and a few good Cubans, and outside of that this pretty much the Royals. I don't understand how Hahn could be so good at sell-side trading and so bad at the buying side and these smaller finishing moves. Player development has to turn around quickly or else the franchise will fall from contention in a couple years. But you expect that they'll trade away more prospects or younger assets both now and in July. So e.g. you wouldn't be all that surprised if instead of having Vaughn and Sheets be a young/good/cheap combo at 1B/DH, they'll both be moved in trades and then of course they'll re-sign Abreu. 

Just wait until Lynn, Abreu or Grandal breaks down again...Keuchel is already there, with Kimbrel close behind.

Meanwhile, productive younger and cheaper players like Narvaez, Avi Garcia, Madrigal and now Rodon are elsewhere.

Do we now have the oldest roster in the AL Central?  Have to, right?

Edited March 16, 20224 yr by caulfield12

It's Hector, so take this FWIW

1 minute ago, maxjusttyped said:

It's Hector, so take this FWIW

I don’t think it matters...Sox aren’t going after a RHH outfielder (if they’re even going after more offense)

This account broke the Brad Miller signing, so read at your own risk:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MLBDrops/status/1503955884627705863

Just now, fathom said:

I don’t think it matters...Sox aren’t going after a RHH outfielder (if they’re even going after more offense)

If other people are clinging to Conforto, I will keep clinging to Bryant, when by all indications neither has any real shot of happening

Nothing is fucking happening man. This is like the hot stove if you left preheat on and fell asleep before you got the dish in.

I'm kind of okay with the roster as is, meaning we just see what happens with all this young talent instead of making costly KW trades. Cease and Kopech have CYA arms, Giolito hasn't peaked yet imo. Then you have Robert, Jiminez, Moncada, Vaughn, and my boy Chipper Sheets. If you're not gonna just buy Conforto or whatever, then I'd rather they stand pat. 

3 minutes ago, KBX said:

I'm kind of okay with the roster as is, meaning we just see what happens with all this young talent instead of making costly KW trades. Cease and Kopech have CYA arms, Giolito hasn't peaked yet imo. Then you have Robert, Jiminez, Moncada, Vaughn, and my boy Chipper Sheets. If you're not gonna just buy Conforto or whatever, then I'd rather they stand pat. 

And what happens if June 1st rolls around and Sheets and Vaughn are both having sophomore slumps or grade out as the worst defensive RF pair in the league? This team is right back to having a black hole in RF again. When you're in the position the Sox are in you put your foot on the throat of the competition. That's what good teams do. There's plenty of options for RF still. They need to take advantage.

Just now, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

And what happens if June 1st rolls around and Sheets and Vaughn are both having sophomore slumps or grade out as the worst defensive RF pair in the league? This team is right back to having a black hole in RF again. When you're in the position the Sox are in you put your foot on the throat of the competition. That's what good teams do. There's plenty of options for RF still. They need to take advantage.

Also, much rather they spend the money now to upgrade RF than have to use minor league assets (the few they have) at the deadline.

11 minutes ago, fathom said:

This account broke the Brad Miller signing, so read at your own risk:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MLBDrops/status/1503955884627705863

Dislike 

1 minute ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

And what happens if June 1st rolls around and Sheets and Vaughn are both having sophomore slumps or grade out as the worst defensive RF pair in the league? 

That can't happen. Because if it does, we're screwed.

You would think this guy just throws stuff at the wall by looking at his account however, by reading his posts he does sound like he knows his stuff. Ken Rosenthal and apparently MLB Trade Rumors credited him so I believe this one. 

Edited March 16, 20224 yr by maloney.adam

All this complaining about RF and they still don’t have a backup catcher.

3 minutes ago, fathom said:

Also, much rather they spend the money now to upgrade RF than have to use minor league assets (the few they have) at the deadline.

Exactly. The need to try and maintain/re-build the farm so they can keep extending the window.

I literally can't stop shaking. Ken Rosenthal's nephew is gonna get anon famous on twitter and sell merch or something

2 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

It looks like this guy just throws stuff at the wall hoping it sticks by just looking at his account, but Ken Rosenthal and MLB Trade Rumors did credit him so maybe he’s becoming legit now?

 

14 minutes ago, fathom said:

This account broke the Brad Miller signing, so read at your own risk:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MLBDrops/status/1503955884627705863

I dont think it's a surprise to anyone at this point, fathom.

I think we have to accept that they are who we thought they were. This is not even remotely surprising. 

1 minute ago, fathom said:

All this complaining about RF and they still don’t have a backup catcher.

Nick Ciuffo!

j/k

They literally have done nothing to fix the most important areas of need. This team is still good enough to win the division, but a lot is going to have to go right for them to go deep into the playoffs.

10 minutes ago, KBX said:

I'm kind of okay with the roster as is, meaning we just see what happens with all this young talent instead of making costly KW trades. Cease and Kopech have CYA arms, Giolito hasn't peaked yet imo. Then you have Robert, Jiminez, Moncada, Vaughn, and my boy Chipper Sheets. If you're not gonna just buy Conforto or whatever, then I'd rather they stand pat. 

Internal improvement does not get this team over the hump.  There are too many holes with no real internal options and the farm is pretty damned barren.  The FO may very well be content with what they have, and if they make no additional significant moves they will have half-assed another off-season.  Except they are in the middle of  their supposed contention window seemingly refusing to push their chips in to make this a championship level roster.  Division championships are great, but that’s all this current squad will ever be if they aren’t willing do what it takes to complete the roster.  Sure, lightning in a bottle might happen again, magically, but how many times have they banked on that happening and come up woefully short?  There is still time, but the time is now. 

5 minutes ago, fathom said:

All this complaining about RF and they still don’t have a backup catcher.

They will field a lineup of nine relief pitchers and you will like it damnit!?

9 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:

I dont think it's a surprise to anyone at this point, fathom.

I think we have to accept that they are who we thought they were. This is not even remotely surprising. 

It’s amazing because Stoney keeps talking about how they have to be smarter and better on defense, yet the defense is worse on paper heading into the year than last season 

16 minutes ago, fathom said:

All this complaining about RF and they still don’t have a backup catcher.

Right, 600 PA against...200. Come on now bub.

Just now, chitownsportsfan said:

Right, 600 PA against...200. Come on now bub.

Given how bad Collins was on defense, it’s a huge issue