Polar Bear Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Just now, ChiSox59 said: Moncada was worth 4.5 fWAR last season. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Burger will be worth more than that given 150 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: Moncada was worth 4.5 fWAR last season. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Even I know this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: Burger is better than Moncada or Harrison and that's a fact. They need to get him in the lineup everyday They will not trade Moncada unless they get an absolute haul. I want Moncada on the field and in the lineup every single day. He is one of the 3 best 3rd baseman in the American league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Train to 35th Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: Burger is better than Moncada or Harrison and that's a fact. They need to get him in the lineup everyday Oh great wise one, please explain the facts behind your statement instead of just throwing gas on SoxTalk. Edited April 9, 2022 by A-Train to 35th sp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Train to 35th Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 12 hours ago, ron883 said: I've seen about enough Josh Harrison already. He's going to be added to the long list of "cheap" FA signees that end up being a complete waste of money. Burger looks like a dude that can hit. Plus, he made that slick play at 2B recently. I can't find the video. It's out there though. Either Burger to 2B or Yoan to 2B. Seen enough after 1 game, oh boy you are something. Marcus Semien went 0-4 yesterday, I wonder if the Rangers are giving up on him already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, A-Train to 35th said: Oh great wise one, please explain the facts behind your statement instead of just throwing gas on SoxTalk. I've posted my thoughts on Burger a lot. He is a .260, 25+ HR guy with comparable defense to Moncada at 3B. Nothing Moncada can provide will top Burger if Burger is given time to develop in the bigs like he should. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: I will never understand the ill will a portion of this fanbase has against Moncada because he doesn’t play with the fire and passion. Or because his production has been mediocre, outside of 2019. I really like his D though. Don't care about his personality. Edited April 9, 2022 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Train to 35th Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 minute ago, GreenSox said: Or because his production has been mediocre, outside of 2019. I like Burger, but Moncada is a top 10 3B in ALL of baseball. I betting there's 20+ teams that would like to have Moncada at the hot corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Train to 35th Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) Just the facts please........ bleacherreport.com/articles/2949766-mlb-player-rankings-for-top-25-third-basemen-of-2021-season dodgerblue.com/mlb-top-10-third-basemen-right-now-justin-turner-ranked-by-the-shredder-for-2022/2022/03/22/ Like all of the other rankings compiled by The Shredder, the evaluation of third basemen took into account a three-year sample, with the 2021 weighed more heavily. It factored in WAR and wRC+ in addition to Statcast metrics. Defense was weighed more heavily compared to second base and third base. Edited April 9, 2022 by A-Train to 35th adding data Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Even I’m not this crazy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 27 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: Burger is better than Moncada or Harrison and that's a fact. They need to get him in the lineup everyday Jake Burger, he of 16 (SIXTEEN!!) major league games is somehow irrefutably factually better than Yoan Moncada. You heard it here folks. Pack it up, we're all done here. The nonsensical hot takes flying around this place are going to melt my brain I swear... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Jake Burger, he of 16 (SIXTEEN!!) major league games is somehow irrefutably factually better than Yoan Moncada. You heard it here folks. Pack it up, we're all done here. The nonsensical hot takes flying around this place are going to melt my brain I swear... The nonsensical respones like this are going to melt my brain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 It really sucks when I kinda remake a Jake burger hype train only for it to be immediately hijacked by the most insane posters and you can’t even talk about how Jake might be much better than prospect ranking or expectations and instead just have ti be like “ok yeah but he’s actually not tHAT good” all the time 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Okay. At least I now know which posters I can easily dismiss when it comes to anything player evaluation related. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Newbie question: Is this the appropriate time to start a "Put Burger in the rotation" thread? Sorry, but Burger's defense at 3B is average. His bat is going to be above average hopefully, but a major league roster on a team supposedly contending for a world series victory is not the place to teach a questionable defensive talent how to play a middle infield position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 42 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Moncada was worth 4.5 fWAR last season. You have no idea what you’re talking about. 41 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: Whatever you want to look at, Burger is better and clearly better with the bat, thus better Let's start here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, bmags said: It really sucks when I kinda remake a Jake burger hype train only for it to be immediately hijacked by the most insane posters and you can’t even talk about how Jake might be much better than prospect ranking or expectations and instead just have ti be like “ok yeah but he’s actually not tHAT good” all the time Like I said, there is no one in the Sox system with a better story to root for than Burger. I would love to see him do great things, but these takes rank up there with Russian misinformation for their absurdity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Polar Bear said: Burger will be worth more than that given 150 games Now you’re just looking for attention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) C'mon. Jake Burger is not better than Moncada. Yoan brings GG defense and patience at the plate, while Burger is average to below average defensively and does not have the plate discipline Moncada does. Just so everyone knows, when I criticize Moncada it isn't that I don't appreciate that he's a very good player, it's more lamenting the fact that he could have been so much better if he didn't get long Covid. That is nobody's fault, not even his. It just sucks. He had his career trajectory altered by contracting a novel virus that is airborne. It's just incredibly unfortunate. Edited April 9, 2022 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: C'mon. Jake Burger is not better than Moncada. Yoan brings GG defense and patience at the plate, while Burger is average to below average defensively and does not have the plate discipline Moncada does. Just so everyone knows, when I criticize Moncada it isn't that I don't appreciate that he's a very good player, it's more lamenting the fact that he could have been so much better if he didn't get long Covid. That is nobody's fault, not even his. It just sucks. Nobody can really prove this to be true. I believe that covid can have long term effects, but zapping his power? Maybe he's just a great player that benefited from juiced balls, instead of an MVP caliber player. Edited April 9, 2022 by ron883 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ron883 said: Nobody can really prove this to be true. I believe that covid can have long term effects, but zapping his power? Maybe he's busy a great player that benefited from juiced balls, instead of an MVP caliber player. If you watch him play the ball doesn't explode off his bat like it used to. It's pretty obvious. Even when he was struggling in 2017/18 the ball exploded off his bat. I don't think it's as simple as the juiced ball. He was hitting 440+ ft HRs in 2019, not barely scraping the OF wall. He also had elite exit velocity. That skill doesn't just disappear at age 25 without something else going on. Edited April 9, 2022 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 43 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: The nonsensical respones like this are going to melt my brain you're a silly man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Like I said, there is no one in the Sox system with a better story to root for than Burger. I would love to see him do great things, but these takes rank up there with Russian misinformation for their absurdity. Opinions from fans about baseball rank up there with genocide? Give me a fukin break bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: If you watch him play the ball doesn't explode off his bat like it used to. It's pretty obvious. Even when he was struggling in 2017/18 the ball exploded off his bat. I don't think it's as simple as the juiced ball. He was hitting 440+ ft HRs in 2019, not barely scraping the OF wall. He also had elite exit velocity. That skill doesn't just disappear at age 25 without something else going on. Do you have any studies showing that covid reduces people's strength long term to this extent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 hour ago, GreenSox said: Or because his production has been mediocre, outside of 2019. I really like his D though. Don't care about his personality. His D and OBP are both super valuable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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