Please vote. If you chose option 1, please explain why you chose the wrong option.

I am always going to take a playoff appearance.  Always.

For this team, in its post-rebuild window, not making the playoffs and falling short of the ALCS is the same thing to me. I’d take La Russa being replaced next year.

2 minutes ago, flavum said:

not making the playoffs and falling short of the ALCS is the same thing to me

Bingo.

Sadly, as long as J.R. is breathing, Tony is the Sox manager. 

Also worth stating, Tony isn't leaving until he quits or dies.  If the team that falls short, that doesn't mean anything.

I’m past the point of sacrificing time for strategic political bullshit for this crew. For me, they’re riding in together and they’re either going to win or they all gotta go. The time for punting is past; every season is in the window now. 

My preference is we right this ship and win a title this year and TLR returns to do it again. 

What exactly are the circumstances of Tony's exit?

I'd like to think I'd choose the playoff appearance but if you told me that Tony would get drilled in the dugout by an errant Leury Garcia throw leading to him hanging 'em up... I definitely could be swayed. 

I feel like people aren't understanding the question here. 

Yes, making the playoffs is always better than not making the playoffs. But the question specifically states the Sox lose in the first round (for the 3rd year in a row.) The question is worded specifically so there is no "Well if you make the playoffs, you never know what will happen!" We do know what will happen, and that's them going out in the first round again. 

And as @flavum said, at that point it's the same as not making the postseason at all, so if means TLR gets canned.....the option seems easy.

Playoffs are cool and as a fan the White Sox have been on the outside looking in for too damn much of my life.  I will take seeing this team in the playoffs 3 years in a row.  I will deal with them being bounced from the playoffs when that happens.

4 minutes ago, Tony said:

I feel like people aren't understanding the question here. 

Yes, making the playoffs is always better than not making the playoffs. But the question specifically states the Sox lose in the first round (for the 3rd year in a row.) The question is worded specifically so there is no "Well if you make the playoffs, you never know what will happen!" We do know what will happen, and that's them going out in the first round again. 

And as @flavum said, at that point it's the same as not making the postseason at all, so if means TLR gets canned.....the option seems easy.

I am not convinced that Tony leaving wouldn't trigger a bigger sell off if we failed to make the playoffs.  It would be easy cover.

This is such a tough question. I would really like to see the Sox make the playoffs for three straight seasons, but I would REALLY LIKE to see Tony gone for good.
I guess I'd have to go with the capital letters and sacrifice this season if it meant TLR goes bye-bye.

31 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said:

Please vote. If you chose option 1, please explain why you chose the wrong option.

I honestly do not believe the Sox will win it all with TLR as the manager.  In the above binary choice, I would rather miss the playoffs entirely this season if it ensured that he would be gone.  There is still time inside the potential window, with the right moves, to make this core into a legit contender with a good manager leading the way. That is not TLR.

12 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

I honestly do not believe the Sox will win it all with TLR as the manager.  In the above binary choice, I would rather miss the playoffs entirely this season if it ensured that he would be gone.  There is still time inside the potential window, with the right moves, to make this core into a legit contender with a good manager leading the way. That is not TLR.

But isn't this next FA class universally derided?  A playoff miss means a significant fall off in attendance.  Is it more likely they cut payroll or double down with their spending behind a new manager?  I think most Sox fans would go with the former rather than the latter.

If the Sox don't get past this ALDS this year, Larussa will be gone 

My only concern...if they don't make the playoffs this season...that JR kills payroll and the window is officially closed. IF they get the excitement of a big second half run, revenue surely will be great and give more flexibility for 2023 and beyond.   That being said, i hate TLR. 

39 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Also worth stating, Tony isn't leaving until he quits or dies.  If the team that falls short, that doesn't mean anything.

Amen!

Have we made the playoffs so many times in our lifetimes that we turn our noses up at an offer?

The 17 people who want the Sox to miss the playoffs should have their sox fanhood memberships revoked.

34 minutes ago, wegner said:

Playoffs are cool and as a fan the White Sox have been on the outside looking in for too damn much of my life.  I will take seeing this team in the playoffs 3 years in a row.  I will deal with them being bounced from the playoffs when that happens.

Ding ding ding. 

Playoff games are fun. We got knocked out last year but game 3 is still probably the 2nd best sporting event I've ever been too. More of those opportunities. The more chances to create some fun memories the better. My dad and uncles arent getting any younger. 

I'm not a fan of this poll. Anything can happen when you make the playoffs. Guaranteeing a first round exit seems silly. The goal is to make the playoffs and hope your team gets hot. I'm taking the playoffs option 8 days a week. 

Edited April 25, 20223 yr by ron883

6 minutes ago, ron883 said:

I'm not a fan of this poll. Anything can happen when you make the playoffs. Guaranteeing a first round exit seems silly. The goal is to make the playoffs and hope your team gets hot. I'm taking the playoffs option 8 days a week. 

It's just a hypothetical scenario so the question specifies an either/or where they get to playoffs and knocked out and LaRussa returns or we miss the playoffs but LaRussa is gone.

I voted to make the playoffs though.

7 minutes ago, ron883 said:

I'm not a fan of this poll. Anything can happen when you make the playoffs. Guaranteeing a first round exit seems silly. The goal is to make the playoffs and hope your team gets hot. I'm taking the playoffs option 8 days a week. 

I think the realization on the poll is as currently managed...this team ISN'T winning a series. Sure seems fair seeing results. 

The two choices offered in this poll represent what I hate most about Soxtalk. I check in here because this site generally has Sox information first. But the negativity and incivility make what's supposed to be a fun part of life too often just caustic and mean-spirited. It's really a shame.

15 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The 17 people who want the Sox to miss the playoffs should have their sox fanhood memberships revoked.

I agree, not sure how you can call yourself a fan of a team if you want them to fail.