25 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said:

At least someone tells it like it is

I would rather not see the floor show and instead see him pitch well.  

26 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said:

At least someone tells it like it is

All of our guys say they suck when asked. It's to the point where it seems like they say it to avoid criticism. 

Is it still early?

2 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said:

Is it still early?

I believe we were supposed to wait 2-4 weeks after Lynn stops sucking.

Martin-Bieber

Cease-Pilkington

Tomorrow should be a split. Should.

Just now, flavum said:

Martin-Bieber

Cease-Pilkington

Tomorrow should be a split. Should.

Watch Pilkington shut them down. 

Just now, Jack Parkman said:

Watch Pilkington shut them down. 

I would enjoy that 

 

50 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

If that's the case, why would they even offer him one? 

Anyway, I hope people put the non-tender Giolito thing in proper context because we were talking about bad money and how to cut payroll. It is an outside possibility because there is just so much bad money on the books. There aren't a lot of options. 

I think very good players in the prime of their careers are guys the Sox should be building around, not trading away. If the Sox can get him for a discount because this season hasn't gone as expected for him, all the better.

7 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

 

I just came here to post this. Truly a mind blowing stat.

15 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

 

Considering how many relievers have been injured and/or sucked, sticking too long with staters isn't a big surprise. 

23 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

 

Would like to see how many of those runs were given up by the bullpen as inherited runners.

It's as if we forget how bad our bullpen is.

Pick your poison.  Try to squeeze the last drop from the SP or just hand it over to the gas can bullpen?

 

Edited July 12, 20223 yr by HOFHurt35

23 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

 

My question is how does that compare to the rest of the league.  It seems like it’s a horrific number, but in a vacuum it doesn’t tell you much.  If I were guessing I’d say it is at or near the bottom.  However, I don’t know that.

27 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

 

Wash, rinse, repeat. It’s the same shit show everyday for TLR

I don’t know either, just astounded by those numbers.  The pen sucks, but I’m going to guess a fresh arm probably has a better probability of getting outs than a gassed starter who has been through the order a few times. 

16 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Considering how many relievers have been injured and/or sucked, sticking too long with staters isn't a big surprise. 

 Yep and sometimes the starters are the problem.  Since last year this team is notorious for surrendering leads after the 7th.

6 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

I don’t know either, just astounded by those numbers.  The pen sucks, but I’m going to guess a fresh arm probably has a better probability of getting outs than a gassed starter who has been through the order a few times. 

I guess it depends on who you put in. 

3rd time through the order, Sox SP's have a 5.88 ERA. Sox relievers have a 4.18 ERA. I'm not saying to blindly follow the numbers, but they will tell you you're almost always better off going to a "bad" reliever over a tired starter. Of course TLR is the last manager in baseball to realize this.

Edited July 12, 20223 yr by maxjusttyped

12-7 or better for this stretch.

As of now, we're 3-5. 

9-2 or better the rest of the way or fire Tony. 

27 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:

Would like to see how many of those runs were given up by the bullpen as inherited runners.

It's as if we forget how bad our bullpen is.

Pick your poison.  Try to squeeze the last drop from the SP or just hand it over to the gas can bullpen?

 

The bullpen is bad yes, but it seems like TLR doesn’t even get them up and going until at least 2 are on base in the final inning the starter is already gassed on. This requires the gas can bullpen to pitch under more pressure with less wiggle room. Is everything perfect if they come in for a clean inning, probably not but it sure could help that statistic out more than likely.

28 minutes ago, JTB said:

My question is how does that compare to the rest of the league.  It seems like it’s a horrific number, but in a vacuum it doesn’t tell you much.  If I were guessing I’d say it is at or near the bottom.  However, I don’t know that.

 

Don't quote me on this being accurate. That's pretty wild though. All hail Ricky Renteria!

1 minute ago, ron883 said:

 

Don't quote me on this being accurate. That's pretty wild though. All hail Ricky Renteria!

He already said it wasn’t real in the comments but I’d take any one’s decision making over TLR at the moment, regardless of who it is

Stick a fork in em, these losers are done

Glad to see Ozzie going off in the postgame show. This shit is about to go off the rails in a big way very soon.

2 hours ago, JTB said:

My question is how does that compare to the rest of the league.  It seems like it’s a horrific number, but in a vacuum it doesn’t tell you much.  If I were guessing I’d say it is at or near the bottom.  However, I don’t know that.

This link includes all inherited runners in scoring position (including relievers replaced by another reliever). The Sox are 13th this season, and improvement from 19th last season.

https://www.teamrankings.com/mlb/stat/runners-left-in-scoring-position-per-game