6 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:

This isn't about Jose for the 2023 season.  It's about Vaughn not being anything close to an elite bat in this league.  

Of all the problems with this team, Vaughn is not one of them. This is a stupid take.

4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

For a guy that’s supposed to be bad, his 116 OPS+ says he’s not nearly as bad as some thing.

Don’t think he is bad at all, but he is a doubles hitter. He will never be a big HR guy.

Who the hell is this Verizon spokewoman.....am I supposed to know who she is???

Just now, A-Train to 35th said:

I think the White Sox fucked with his development by putting him in the outfield.

Agreed... and lack of minor league developmental time/normal progression. 

 

Burger looks great on defense. 

Giolito saved the bullpen big time and just made a couple of mistakes against a team playing out of their minds and virtually unbeatable at home now. 

 

Gio first starter to go 7 for the Sox this season.

1 minute ago, Soxfest said:

Don’t think he is bad at all, but he is a doubles hitter. He will never be a big HR guy.

Mark Grace and Olerud come to mind...John Mabry another. 

13 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Baseball Reference.

I’ll have to mess around with filters to figure out their records for specific time periods in the season. I haven’t used that site for team stats, only players.

1 minute ago, cuban_sammiches said:

Of all the problems with this team, Vaughn is not one of them. This is a stupid take.

Top draft picks burning out over and over is a problem.  If Vaughn does not start producing at a higher level, he is headed that way. 

Not a stupid take.  

1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

Carlos Martinez Jr. had quite a solid run there after leaving Sox with a plethora of injuries. 

Rangel Ravelo even contributed lol. 

Jordan Walker now looks awesome. 

McEwing must be elated to return to Cardinals' Nation. 

 

Losing Luis Robert Jr. to the Sox and the Oscar Taveras tragedy has hardly derailed that franchise. 

There is an argument to be made that guys like Robert and Moncada and Colas and the rest might be more productive players today if they had come up through the Rays system. The Sox organization IMO is pretty rotten. When’s the last time a White Sox prospect, who didn’t play 3 years in college, came up and looked like they had a grasp on how to play? Almost like they don’t understand the game at all.

Who knew great pitching and defense, combined with hitting the ball out of the ballpark could be so successful.  Interesting.

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Mark Grace and Olerud come to mind...John Mabry another. 

Those guys you mentioned had sluggers on those teams hitting HR’s. Sox not so lucky in that department, AV power very much needed.

The Sox are not good, but are the Rays this good, or just in an incredible hot streak . guess time will tell.

3 minutes ago, cuban_sammiches said:

Of all the problems with this team, Vaughn is not one of them. This is a stupid take.

Follow where the money is being spent in the payroll and ROI-fWAR for those guys. 

Obviously Hendricks being out is crippling the pen...for one. 

Moncada and Benintendi.  Lynn.  Jimenez and Anderson, etc. 

Bloated payroll.   Don't have a full roster. 

 

Rays are just putting on a showcase of top-flight MLB defense on turf. 

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Burger looks great on defense. 

 

Jake just may become serviceable enough on defense to earn a starting 3B job yet.

3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

There is an argument to be made that guys like Robert and Moncada and Colas and the rest might be more productive players today if they had come up through the Rays system. The Sox organization IMO is pretty rotten. When’s the last time a White Sox prospect, who didn’t play 3 years in college, came up and looked like they had a grasp on how to play? Almost like they don’t understand the game at all.

Exactly. 

1 minute ago, wegner said:

Who knew great pitching and defense, combined with hitting the ball out of the ballpark could be so successful.  Interesting.

not sure, but I know hitting ground balls by the slowest team in the baseball will not get you far.

28 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

When they start talking about it’s still early, we believe in this team crap, just remember, under JRs ownership, 4 other teams started the season 7-15. 1986, LaRussa got fired, came back to haunt us all. 1997, Terry Bevington last season. 2001, Big Hurt got inured, but they did ultimately win 83 that year, and 2018 when the lost 100. So as silly as it sounds, the playoffs are most likely already out of the question.

Not sipping any White Sox Garfein kool aid… 2023 AL Central so far has got to be the worst cumulative W-L of an April division record of all time.  Will 82 games win the AL Central?  Sox are 99% out of the Wild Card race but if they are ~5GB in AL Central around June 1, we’ll see what happens.

"My name is wegner....and I'm a White Sox fan"

2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

There is an argument to be made that guys like Robert and Moncada and Colas and the rest might be more productive players today if they had come up through the Rays system. The Sox organization IMO is pretty rotten. When’s the last time a White Sox prospect, who didn’t play 3 years in college, came up and looked like they had a grasp on how to play? Almost like they don’t understand the game at all.

Tim Anderson and his JC basketball and baseball time the closest success story to tout there. 

 

Trayce Thompson years later with the Dodgers lol. 

Semien had that time at Cal and still didn't develop with the Sox. 

Beckham and Borchard were total busts. 

 

I really believe that Courtney Hawkins miss scared them off high schoolers for 5-7 years. 

That was a weak throw by Sheets

Not a competitive throw from Sheets in the OF lol. 

listening to Benetti and Beckham bullshit the remaining fans who still watch this garbage is nauseating 

7 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:

Top draft picks burning out over and over is a problem.  If Vaughn does not start producing at a higher level, he is headed that way. 

Not a stupid take.  

Pure meatball.

4 minutes ago, wegner said:

"My name is wegner....and I'm a White Sox fan"

Hi Wegner. Do you want to share?

Edited April 23, 20232 yr by zisk

How many times has Gordon Beckham mentioned competitive or professional at bats? 

Or lack thereof. 

He and Viciedo had more than their share of non competitive ones back in the day.