whitesoxwinner Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted May 16, 2023 Author Share Posted May 16, 2023 Shortsighted, dumb organization. Stretch the kid into a starter we need starters BADLY. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 24 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said: Shortsighted, dumb organization. Stretch the kid into a starter we need starters BADLY. If the plan is to remain disciplined and strech him into 2-4 inning appearances over the remaining 4 1/2 months, than that will hopefully build a legitimate base of innings so that he can start 25 or so games next season. Need to allow him to work on 3-4 pitches so he can pitch effectively in a starting role. Can also determine whether he will have the capacity to exist as a starter at the ML level, can convert him to high leverage after this tryout period. It's good Tony isn't here and there is nothing left to play for so they can possibly have Crochet reach his full potential without worrying about current needs. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, whitesoxwinner said: Shortsighted, dumb organization. Stretch the kid into a starter we need starters BADLY. I agree. We don't have any starters and we drafted Crochet to be a starter. Note to the clueless Rick Hahn. There is no rush to get Crochet up here. The Sox are not going to finish over .500 this year or make the playoffs. You might as well have stretched him out and kept him down in Charlotte. Let him be a starter for next year with a fresh start in 2024. I know many in here have said that Crochet needs to develop another one or two strong pitches other than his fastball and slider. Well no better place than in Charlotte for the rest of the year to work on adding that. The only problem I see is we probably don't have any good pitching coaches down there who probably have any clue to help him. It will be interesting to see if Crochet got that upper 90's fastball back after TJS. Edited May 16, 2023 by The Kids Can Play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 30 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said: Shortsighted, dumb organization. Stretch the kid into a starter we need starters BADLY. Eh, this org sucks and is stupid but this isn't an example of it. Thinking he was a starter when they drafted him and that he wasn't going to flay his UCL to a single thread within a few years started this entire chain of frustration. There were plenty of red flags around him, but the Sox of course thought they knew more than everybody else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 They're gonna make a lot of short sighted moves in the coming months if they don't get Hahn and Haber the f*** out of that building. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They're gonna make a lot of short sighted moves in the coming months if they don't get Hahn and Haber the f*** out of that building. You know that's not happening. I'm looking forward to more trades for bad relievers and middle infielders with an OPS ~.600. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They're gonna make a lot of short sighted moves in the coming months if they don't get Hahn and Haber the f*** out of that building. Right. It doesn't matter if they do "re-tool" or whatever bs they call it. It will be rinse and repeat as long as this org is run by Hahn, Kenny, Jerry and whoever else is calling the shots. Theyll bring in new guys and the same problems will surface...or new ones will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They're gonna make a lot of short sighted moves in the coming months if they don't get Hahn and Haber the f*** out of that building. One of the most frustrating things as a fan is watching a GM group in over their head compound errors in a last ditch effort to save face. It's like GarPax bringing in the "three amigos". 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 If Padilla never gets back to the big leagues, it’ll be one game with the Cubs/one with the Sox. But he’ll be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Not going to help anything, let the kid develop and get stronger in the minors for at least another couple of months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 I have no idea how anyone could think Crochet could possibly hold up as a starter. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 It has been years since any pitcher came back in under 14 months from TJS and threw anything more than about 10 effective innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 57 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: If the plan is to remain disciplined and strech him into 2-4 inning appearances over the remaining 4 1/2 months, than that will hopefully build a legitimate base of innings so that he can start 25 or so games next season. Need to allow him to work on 3-4 pitches so he can pitch effectively in a starting role. Can also determine whether he will have the capacity to exist as a starter at the ML level, can convert him to high leverage after this tryout period. It's good Tony isn't here and there is nothing left to play for so they can possibly have Crochet reach his full potential without worrying about current needs. I like that plan. I just hope the Sox GM, manager and coaching staff do too and don't screw Crochet up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: It has been years since any pitcher came back in under 14 months from TJS and threw anything more than about 10 effective innings. So he will be White Sox average. I do agree, it's crazy to think he'll be effective. But this is the type of thing the White Sox front office banks on annually. And we all know, they know more than anyone else. Edited May 16, 2023 by Dick Allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 I'm happy to see Garrett Crochet back. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: One of the most frustrating things as a fan is watching a GM group in over their head compound errors in a last ditch effort to save face. It's like GarPax bringing in the "three amigos". That was at least fun. What the Sox do is like giving G-league players $6 mil guaranteed and a full roster spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Poll: How many competitive innings do you think a player needs before returning from Tommy John Surgery: A 100 B 50 C 25 D 15 E 10 F 6 Your answer will determine whether you would fit on the current White Sox coaching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Garrett must be so pissed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 On 5/16/2023 at 2:20 PM, flavum said: If Padilla never gets back to the big leagues, it’ll be one game with the Cubs/one with the Sox. But he’ll be back. Maybe in time for the crosstown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 On 5/16/2023 at 2:13 PM, chitownsportsfan said: One of the most frustrating things as a fan is watching a GM group in over their head compound errors in a last ditch effort to save face. It's like GarPax bringing in the "three amigos". We did have the "tres Garcias" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 After 6 outings we have some data. Crochet came up throwing 100+ in 2020, but in 2021 his fastball dropped to 97. People were hoping he would come back as the 102 thrower and he hasn’t, he is throwing what he threw in 2021. He is throwing more offspeed pitches than he did in 2021. So far though his K rate has dropped from 28% in 2021 to 11% and his walk rate jumped from 12% to 26%. His WHIP is 2.37. His 5.68 ERA is actually quite a bit under his 7.83 xERA. With that kind of dominance I guess I can’t possibly suggest they needed to give him more rehab time. This is totally worth the service time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: After 6 outings we have some data. Crochet came up throwing 100+ in 2020, but in 2021 his fastball dropped to 97. People were hoping he would come back as the 102 thrower and he hasn’t, he is throwing what he threw in 2021. He is throwing more offspeed pitches than he did in 2021. So far though his K rate has dropped from 28% in 2021 to 11% and his walk rate jumped from 12% to 26%. His WHIP is 2.37. His 5.68 ERA is actually quite a bit under his 7.83 xERA. With that kind of dominance I guess I can’t possibly suggest they needed to give him more rehab time. This is totally worth the service time. Try making White Sox go to Rehab, Hahn says "No, no, no." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 I will point out the blown service time would happen in a rehab stint too. They have to send him down. And then convert him to at least try to be a starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 I’d be happy if they tailored his uniform pants so he wouldn’t have to roll them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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