11 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

This has nothing to do with hindsight, Einstein.

Luhnow was a top GM candidate who was obtained via a search process where multiple candidates were interviewed. He was in charge of Cardinals minor leagues during a stretch where the team made the playoffs 9 out of 12 years, including TWO World Series wins and certainly never lost 100 games.

Chris Getz has been in the White Sox organization since 2016. In that time, they've lost 100 + games TWICE as often as they made the playoffs. Stearns and Luhnow were HIGHLY qualified candidates who were hired based on merit.

Edit: I don't have much basis for it? The White Sox are the worst organization in professional baseball since Getz took over. How is there not much basis? What the hell are you watching, pal? Is it the same thing we're all watching?

It should be noted that it’s not just your opinion that they are the worst organization.  There have been league wide surveys and players back up this assessment.

1 hour ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

It should be noted that it’s not just your opinion that they are the worst organization.  There have been league wide surveys and players back up this assessment.

that's why sign Naylor, sign Tucker is just silly.

And that’s a wrap on this season.  60-102.

Getz is now 101-223 as GM.

54 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

And that’s a wrap on this season.  60-102.

Getz is now 101-223 as GM.

No one should view that 60 win mark as progress. Getz’ 2nd full year was a game worse than the team he took over. 2025 on its own gets many GM’s fired. 102 losses is really bad. 

1 hour ago, Tnetennba said:

No one should view that 60 win mark as progress. Getz’ 2nd full year was a game worse than the team he took over. 2025 on its own gets many GM’s fired. 102 losses is really bad. 

Counterpoint: Yes they should. 

15 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Counterpoint: Yes they should. 

Progress if you're a Galapagos turtle...

If anyone doesn't see 2025 as a positive then I don't know what to tell ya.  

Sox were 31-43 for a .419 winning percentage since July 4th which is the date Colson Montgomery came up and all the young players started playing together

I shouldn't have to explain with how well the young guys looked offensively with even more on the way up next year. 

Shane Smith becoming a mid rotation guy as a rule 5 pick is incredible.  Davis Martin is a solid back end guy.  Taylor, Leasure, Gonzalez, Vasil (another rule 5 guy) all excelling.

The holes are obvious on this team for next year, but this season was definitely a positive development because of who won these games. 

4 minutes ago, GGajewski18 said:

If anyone doesn't see 2025 as a positive then I don't know what to tell ya.  

Sox were 31-43 for a .419 winning percentage since July 4th which is the date Colson Montgomery came up and all the young players started playing together

I shouldn't have to explain with how well the young guys looked offensively with even more on the way up next year. 

Shane Smith becoming a mid rotation guy as a rule 5 pick is incredible.  Davis Martin is a solid back end guy.  Taylor, Leasure, Gonzalez, Vasil (another rule 5 guy) all excelling.

The holes are obvious on this team for next year, but this season was definitely a positive development because of who won these games. 

The holes that won’t be filled this offseason because the word has been that they won’t be spending in free agency.

31 minutes ago, GGajewski18 said:

If anyone doesn't see 2025 as a positive then I don't know what to tell ya.  

Sox were 31-43 for a .419 winning percentage since July 4th which is the date Colson Montgomery came up and all the young players started playing together

I shouldn't have to explain with how well the young guys looked offensively with even more on the way up next year. 

Shane Smith becoming a mid rotation guy as a rule 5 pick is incredible.  Davis Martin is a solid back end guy.  Taylor, Leasure, Gonzalez, Vasil (another rule 5 guy) all excelling.

The holes are obvious on this team for next year, but this season was definitely a positive development because of who won these games. 

102 losses isn’t a positive, and I don’t view a .419 winning percentage over a 70ish game sample as a positive either. Extrapolated over 162, we are talking about a 67 win pace.  67-95 isn’t significant progress, and we already know there won’t be major outside additions, and hopes for improvement will have to come internally. Unless a few of these guys turn into superstars, which doesn’t seem likely, we are looking at a 70 win core at best. You might be content with that, but don’t be surprised if others don’t share that view.
 

3 hours ago, Tnetennba said:

No one should view that 60 win mark as progress. Getz’ 2nd full year was a game worse than the team he took over. 2025 on its own gets many GM’s fired. 102 losses is really bad. 

Yeah I don’t really get this. Going from historically bad to just very bad is obviously not a reason to be content or satisfied, but it’s very clearly progress.

Now if you wanna say it wasn’t enough progress, sure, I’d go along with that.

35 minutes ago, Snopek said:

Yeah I don’t really get this. Going from historically bad to just very bad is obviously not a reason to be content or satisfied, but it’s very clearly progress.

Now if you wanna say it wasn’t enough progress, sure, I’d go along with that.

I'd love for someone to release audio of conversations between Getz and JR where JR is telling Getz to spend all of his money, and Getz is reassuring him that they can win with the lowest payroll in the league. *That* would make me bail on Getz. 

60-102 is a big fat grade of F for this season. No question.

Not sure what the record was since the all star game but it seems to me the last two months of the season (even though the recent 1-10 streak) would grade C- to D-plus. Maybe not, maybe I'm going by the eye test. Seeing Colson's monster home runs was pretty impressive. Man if they wouldn't have "rushed" him ... wow there would have been so little to crow about.

1 hour ago, GGajewski18 said:

If anyone doesn't see 2025 as a positive then I don't know what to tell ya.  

Sox were 31-43 for a .419 winning percentage since July 4th which is the date Colson Montgomery came up and all the young players started playing together

I shouldn't have to explain with how well the young guys looked offensively with even more on the way up next year. 

Shane Smith becoming a mid rotation guy as a rule 5 pick is incredible.  Davis Martin is a solid back end guy.  Taylor, Leasure, Gonzalez, Vasil (another rule 5 guy) all excelling.

The holes are obvious on this team for next year, but this season was definitely a positive development because of who won these games. 

31-43 is no good but you are right, it is getting there. The problem is even though you like our pitching staff, it truly stinks IMO.

11 hours ago, GGajewski18 said:

If anyone doesn't see 2025 as a positive then I don't know what to tell ya.  

Sox were 31-43 for a .419 winning percentage since July 4th which is the date Colson Montgomery came up and all the young players started playing together

I shouldn't have to explain with how well the young guys looked offensively with even more on the way up next year. 

Shane Smith becoming a mid rotation guy as a rule 5 pick is incredible.  Davis Martin is a solid back end guy.  Taylor, Leasure, Gonzalez, Vasil (another rule 5 guy) all excelling.

The holes are obvious on this team for next year, but this season was definitely a positive development because of who won these games. 

If you don't see being the 2nd worst team in baseball as a positive....

Amazing what losers Sox fans have become.

17 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

If you don't see being the 2nd worst team in baseball as a positive....

Amazing what losers Sox fans have become.

Exactly. .413 is a 95 loss season after the cherry pick.

Edited September 29, 2025Sep 29 by Dick Allen

26 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Exactly. .413 is a 95 loss season after the cherry pick.

And also a .413 winning percentage is not good lol.  Is it better than .253?  Yes.  But it is not good.  

I mean, it IS progress, but the fact that a third straight 100-loss season is progress is depressing.

17 hours ago, GGajewski18 said:

If anyone doesn't see 2025 as a positive then I don't know what to tell ya.  

Sox were 31-43 for a .419 winning percentage since July 4th which is the date Colson Montgomery came up and all the young players started playing together

I shouldn't have to explain with how well the young guys looked offensively with even more on the way up next year. 

Shane Smith becoming a mid rotation guy as a rule 5 pick is incredible.  Davis Martin is a solid back end guy.  Taylor, Leasure, Gonzalez, Vasil (another rule 5 guy) all excelling.

The holes are obvious on this team for next year, but this season was definitely a positive development because of who won these games. 

People don't see it as a positive because people are basically saying "They weren't the worst team of all time again, I don't understand why you guys are complaining."

A .419 winning percentage sucks, is it better than the worst all time? Absolutely. Is it acceptable, or something im going to pump my first about? Nope.

10 minutes ago, T R U said:

People don't see it as a positive because people are basically saying "They weren't the worst team of all time again, I don't understand why you guys are complaining."

A .419 winning percentage sucks, is it better than the worst all time? Absolutely. Is it acceptable, or something im going to pump my first about? Nope.

It's a good thing nobody said that, then. GG said it's a positive because rookies came up and performed to the extent that they go into next spring training as the presumed starters. 

Coming out of 2025, we look to have most of an infield, 2 catchers, maybe 1 OF, 2 starting pitchers, and half a bullpen. I continue to say it's a rebuild, and I'm rooting for rebuild things. Get pieces in place.

I fully support you in not seeing anything here as positive. Just quote us positive people accurately. 

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

It's a good thing nobody said that, then. GG said it's a positive because rookies came up and performed to the extent that they go into next spring training as the presumed starters. 

Coming out of 2025, we look to have most of an infield, 2 catchers, maybe 1 OF, 2 starting pitchers, and half a bullpen. I continue to say it's a rebuild, and I'm rooting for rebuild things. Get pieces in place.

I fully support you in not seeing anything here as positive. Just quote us positive people accurately. 

You literally gave Getz a B grade because at least they didnt set the loss record again. Did they make progress? Technically, yes. I am excited about some of the young guys on the team but still upset about the overall lack of results and accountability in the entire organization. We deserve and should demand better! 

15 minutes ago, Rocky said:

You literally gave Getz a B grade because at least they didnt set the loss record again. Did they make progress? Technically, yes. I am excited about some of the young guys on the team but still upset about the overall lack of results and accountability in the entire organization. We deserve and should demand better! 

Yes, I did say that the assignment was to not set the loss record again. I also mentioned 7 other items I thought were positive moves forward. I would have liked for the team to avoid 100 losses, if only to kill the narrative. I don't find myself angry at where the team is today.

This team did wind up in a uniquely bad spot that saw a convergence of bad draft picks, developmental failures, a complete collapse of the major league talent and historic neglect of talent acquisition. There's a lot to dig out from, and I believe Getz put a clear dent in the organization's issues. 

I fully encourage you to keep demanding better. 

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Yes, I did say that the assignment was to not set the loss record again. I also mentioned 7 other items I thought were positive moves forward. I would have liked for the team to avoid 100 losses, if only to kill the narrative. I don't find myself angry at where the team is today.

This team did wind up in a uniquely bad spot that saw a convergence of bad draft picks, developmental failures, a complete collapse of the major league talent and historic neglect of talent acquisition. There's a lot to dig out from, and I believe Getz put a clear dent in the organization's issues. 

I fully encourage you to keep demanding better. 

One of Getz' biggest errors was not firing Pedro sooner. They obviously would have still been last, but a month or two earlier, they don't set the loss record. That more than covers the extra cost.

52 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

It's a good thing nobody said that, then. GG said it's a positive because rookies came up and performed to the extent that they go into next spring training as the presumed starters. 

Coming out of 2025, we look to have most of an infield, 2 catchers, maybe 1 OF, 2 starting pitchers, and half a bullpen. I continue to say it's a rebuild, and I'm rooting for rebuild things. Get pieces in place.

I fully support you in not seeing anything here as positive. Just quote us positive people accurately. 

The post I quoted said "If anyone doesn't see 2025 as a positive then I don't know what to tell ya." I explained why people aren't seeing it as a positive, losing 102 games and having a stretch where they played at a 90-95 loss pace isn't something a lot of people are going to feel positive about for the long term future of the team.

Basically Teel, Colson and Shane Smith are the three biggest building blocks on the major league roster for now and everything is still an unknown...especially H.Smith and Schultz.

Sosa and Vargas are only under control through 2029...but the next two years are going to be non competitive barring major FA spending.

So a two year window (2028/29)?

That's where things get tricky...

 

5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Basically Teel, Colson and Shane Smith are the three biggest building blocks on the major league roster for now and everything is still an unknown...especially H.Smith and Schultz.

Sosa and Vargas are only under control through 2029...but the next two years are going to be non competitive barring major FA spending.

So a two year window (2028/29)?

That's where things get tricky...

 

1) I don't think a "window" is a goal. A continuous flow of prospects is. Billy Carlson and 2026's 1st rounder probably don't hit the majors for good until 2029. 
2) I don't see Sosa and Vargas as being part of a core unless they seriously step up their production (.850 OPS). Vargas is a nice place-holder, where if he stays at 3B and hits a little more consistently, he can be a 3 WAR player. If they can't replace Sosa's 101 OPS+ in the next 3 seasons, this team has bigger problems than a small window of contention.