January 15, 20242 yr 8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Burdi too. KW started that nonsense with Royce Ring and Aaron Poreda. Burdi was at least drafted as a reliever, with the idea that a reliever would save their precious 2016 season, outside the top 15. He would have been a challenge to turn into a starter. Probably 29 teams wouldn’t have drafted him in the first round had they thought there was no chance of him starting, but they didn’t understand how smart Rick Hahn’s 2016 strategy was. The record of the 2016 team is a true reflection of Hahn’s quality. Crochet, to me, was Hahn and Williams saying “we could have kept Chris Sale in the bullpen in 2012. Because we didn’t, we got a 2nd place finish in 2012 and a borderline HOF starter. This was clearly a mistake so we need to fix it to get our 2nd bullpen lefty.”
January 16, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Burdi too. KW started that nonsense with Royce Ring and Aaron Poreda. Joins the crowd of numerous players we likely get nothing back in return for...or negative returns. Rodon Anderson Grandal Pollock/Kimbrel Hendriks etc. Almost every first rounder other than Burger/Sale. Likely Jimenez/Moncada. Cease due to the Sports Guy/Elias Curse. 14.
January 16, 20242 yr 23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: 14. You haven't counted SSHM posts/lists yet?? That should keep you busy for the remainder of the winter.
January 17, 20242 yr On 1/15/2024 at 4:48 PM, Balta1701 said: I feel bad for Crochet because a professional organization would have tried him as a starter from the beginning in ‘21. Instead he got the Hahn clown show. You don’t draft a guy in the top 15 and treat him this way, this guy with his arm could easily have turned into a top 10 prospect in all of baseball after 2 years in the minors, but Hahn needed his relievers. And if he gets hurt, then there’s time for him to recover before he has to hit free agency. Nah, Crocket was a very weak SP at TN. He should never have been drafted at #11 with SP intentions. Not sure where solid RP's get drafted but I'm guessing not even in 1st round. I remember Hahn got some smirks around the league with that reach.
January 23, 20242 yr On 1/9/2024 at 7:28 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Man I don’t know how you see a 99% outcome being a top 10 offense with this crew. Right now, you are starting DeJong at SS, Lopez at 2B, Phillips in RF, and Maldonado / Stassi at CA. That’s four spots with zero offensive output even if Robert, Moncada, Eloy, Vaughn, & Benintendi are healthy & productive (which in multiple cases are big ifs). That could change some depending on what they get back for Cease, how Montgomery does if/when he’s called up, and if they add semi-component veteran RF, but right now I’d say the ceiling of this offense is probably closer to league average. Sox 80th percentile zip outcomes would put them in the top 8 offensively last year.
January 23, 20242 yr On 1/15/2024 at 5:20 PM, Balta1701 said: Burdi was at least drafted as a reliever, with the idea that a reliever would save their precious 2016 season, outside the top 15. He would have been a challenge to turn into a starter. Probably 29 teams wouldn’t have drafted him in the first round had they thought there was no chance of him starting, but they didn’t understand how smart Rick Hahn’s 2016 strategy was. The record of the 2016 team is a true reflection of Hahn’s quality. Crochet, to me, was Hahn and Williams saying “we could have kept Chris Sale in the bullpen in 2012. Because we didn’t, we got a 2nd place finish in 2012 and a borderline HOF starter. This was clearly a mistake so we need to fix it to get our 2nd bullpen lefty.” The guy got hurt as a starter in college. The Sox drafted him. He pitched 6 glorious innings, then got hurt again. In what world was he going to be successful as a starting pitcher? The White Sox, RH,KW, all screw up all the time, but how can you say this guy would have been fine if they just made him a starter from the get go? The only reason anyone has ever thought this guy was MLB starting pitcher material was because he wanted to be a starter and he threw 6 unreal innings in 2020. Before that, most people here thought WTF when the Sox drafted him. Edited January 23, 20242 yr by Dick Allen
January 23, 20242 yr 30 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The guy got hurt as a starter in college. The Sox drafted him. He pitched 6 glorious innings, then got hurt again. In what world was he going to be successful as a starting pitcher? The White Sox, RH,KW, all screw up all the time, but how can you say this guy would have been fine if they just made him a starter from the get go? The only reason anyone has ever thought this guy was MLB starting pitcher material was because he wanted to be a starter and he threw 6 unreal innings in 2020. Before that, most people here thought WTF when the Sox drafted him. No he didn't.
January 23, 20242 yr 3 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: No he didn't. Yes he did. He pitched 1 game, 3 innings his JR year, because of Covid, but also a missed the first 3 weeks with an arm injury.
January 23, 20242 yr He didn't have an arm injury he was sore and they were being cautious. If they knew the season was going to be cut short he would have pitched thru it. We've gone over this countless times.
January 23, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: The guy got hurt as a starter in college. The Sox drafted him. He pitched 6 glorious innings, then got hurt again. In what world was he going to be successful as a starting pitcher? The White Sox, RH,KW, all screw up all the time, but how can you say this guy would have been fine if they just made him a starter from the get go? The only reason anyone has ever thought this guy was MLB starting pitcher material was because he wanted to be a starter and he threw 6 unreal innings in 2020. Before that, most people here thought WTF when the Sox drafted him. Clearly someone thought he was MLB starting pitcher material since he was drafted in the top 15 and that wasn't an obvious overdraft.
June 12, 20241 yr 5. Garrett Crochet, White Sox (18.6%) It now seems so long ago when we chuckled that the White Sox made Crochet one of the least-experienced Opening Day starters in history, because he has a shining bright spot in an otherwise forgettable Chicago season. (Especially so if you look past a late-April stumble; in his last nine starts, Crochet has allowed only 12 earned runs.) This is all in part due to a newly introduced cutter that’s become the primary complement to his four-seam, but also because the move from relief to rotation came without the usual drop in velocity that we’ve come to expect. When you’re striking out 34% of hitters, that’s a good way to avoid squared-up contact. Even accounting for that, however, Crochet is one of the hardest arms in the game to square up. mlb.com
June 12, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: He's a unicorn. Trading him would be wild. Try to sign him to a team-friendlyish deal now. If not, you might as well trade. Edited June 12, 20241 yr by Bob Sacamano
June 16, 20241 yr https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/06/15/white-sox-fans-soon-might-see-less-of-ace-garrett-crochet
June 16, 20241 yr I wonder if you slide him to like a once a week program for rest of the season - so more innings but more rest in between?
June 16, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: I wonder if you slide him to like a once a week program for rest of the season - so more innings but more rest in between? His last 5 or 6 starts he's been more 4 seamer, cutter ,sinker than 4 seamer, slider, sinker and it's working really well and has some advantages for arm health . Sliders are generally considered harder on the elbow or shoulder aren't they ? @ptatc Edited June 16, 20241 yr by CaliSoxFanViaSWside
June 16, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: His last 5 or 6 starts he's been more 4 seamer, cutter ,sinker than 4 seamer, slider, sinker and it's working really well and has some advantages for arm health . Sliders are generally considered harder on the elbow or shoulder aren't they ? @ptatc You echoed my thoughts exactly, down to the tag. Paging the resident doctor.
June 16, 20241 yr On 1/9/2024 at 3:25 PM, ptatc said: Not physically possible for more than 15 starts. I guess a caveat would be if they limit him to 3-4 innings. Doc, he’s at 15 starts already (and 82.2 IP)
June 16, 20241 yr Let's get him shipped out. A couple of prospects and a fifth starter would be about as good as Getz can get.
June 17, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, Texsox said: A couple of prospects and a fifth starter would be about as good as Getz can get. Better be damned good prospects.
June 17, 20241 yr I was waiting to see who would do the insecure I have been mad about this for six months bump of these threads.
June 17, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I was waiting to see who would do the insecure I have been mad about this for six months bump of these threads. Even right as a Sun Times article talks about limiting Crochet’s innings.
June 17, 20241 yr On 1/9/2024 at 3:26 PM, fathom said: 15 starts for him might be 50 innings 82.2 actually
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