March 21, 20242 yr https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-26-and-under-power-rankings-evaluating-all-30-teams-by-the-young-talent-in-their-organizations-from-the-rockies-to-no-1-155931913.html "If not for Luis Robert Jr. and Colson Montgomery, the White Sox would be dead last in our rankings. Those two in this organization are like that meme of a $2 million Bugatti in a raggedy driveway, though Andrew Vaughn probably doesn’t like that comparison. ... Montgomery is considered one of the best 15 or so prospects in the sport, an immensely talented left-handed bat with advanced plate discipline. He’s also a shortstop in name only, and most experts believe a move to third is inevitable. He leads an otherwise iffy system that was bolstered somewhat by the additions of Edgar Quero, Nick Nastrini and Jake Eder during last summer’s sell-off. Still, the infrastructure of this organization is so far behind the times that industry experts encouraged a general “rounding down” on most White Sox prospects who journey up the system. New GM Chris Getz has a ton of work to do." — J.M. https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-26-and-under-power-rankings-nos-10-6-reds-young-hitters-dodgers-young-pitchers-among-baseballs-best-153447432.html Still waiting #1-5, Orioles pretty obvious...Braves etc. Edited March 21, 20242 yr by caulfield12
March 21, 20242 yr It's nothing we didn't already know, but seeing it in writing somehow makes it seem worse!
March 21, 20242 yr Doesn’t part of this fall on the shoulders of Chris Getz? Was he not in charge of player development? Very few if any of our first, second or third round picks developed at all with this organization, if anything, they got worse!!
March 21, 20242 yr 2 minutes ago, Johno said: Doesn’t part of this fall on the shoulders of Chris Getz? Was he not in charge of player development? Very few if any of our first, second or third round picks developed at all with this organization, if anything, they got worse!! Absolutely. And that's why you won't see him rising through the organizational ranks anytime soon.
March 21, 20242 yr 14 minutes ago, Johno said: Doesn’t part of this fall on the shoulders of Chris Getz? Was he not in charge of player development? Very few if any of our first, second or third round picks developed at all with this organization, if anything, they got worse!! I know it's easy to reflexively complain about player development during Getz's tenure (2017-2020), but putting fact to the assertion: 2017 - Burger, Sheets, Gonzalez Burger was developed to a starting MLB 3B. I'd call that a success. Sheets is a major leaguer, playing out of position. His hitting has regressed since his debut. Luis Gonzalez got 11 PA's with the 2021 White Sox, and Hahn tried sneaking him through waivers the next year. The Giants grabbed him up and started him for a few months. While it may not be the case that Sheets can be considered "developed", he has had success in the bigs. 2018 - Madrigal, Steele Walker, Pilkington Madrigal was rushed by the GM, then traded for Craig Kimbrel. While Madrigal hasn't set the league on fire, he is still top 5 in bWAR for that year's first round, and has out-produced the 3 players picked in front of him. Walker was sent to Texas for Nomar Mazara, and Pilkington was sent to Cleveland for Cesar Hernandez during the 2021 pennant push. Developing players to the level that other teams want to trade for them is one method of obtaining MLB players. 2019 - Vaughn, Thompson, Dahlquist Jury's still out on Vaughn. He was rushed, then played out of position for a couple of years. That was the GM's decision, not Getz's. Matt Thompson was brought to AA, and is considered by many, here, to be a grave loss for this organization, thanks to Getz's personal development of this player. Dahlquist has never really progressed. 2020 - Crochet, Kelly, Coffey Garret Crochet is our opening day starter. I'm not sure what else you could say about this development success. Kelly and Coffey are both notable bullpen prospects. Coffey having looked good in the AFL, and Kelly moving up to AA. 2021 - Monty, Kath, Burke Colson Montgomery is a top 20 in the game prospect. Having been overlooked in the draft, Monty's development is one of this organization's best success stories. Wes Kath hasn't caught on at any level. Sean Burke has pitched his way up to AAA by the end of his 2nd pro season before getting injured. He is also a success story. 2022 - Schultz, Pallette, Cannon Noah Schultz is a consensus top 100 prospect who is being brought along slowly. Pallette came back from injury, and Cannon will most probably pitch at AAA in his 3rd pro season. Out of these 6 drafts that cover the entirety of Getz's time as director of player development, I would say only 2 of the 18 have been development failures. The others you might cite as not hitting their ceilings with the Sox were either traded, or rushed by the previous regime. Burger, Madrigal, Vaughn and Crochet are contributing major leaguers. Thompson, Kelly, Coffey, Montgomery, Burke, Schultz, Pallette and Cannon are well-regarded prospects.
March 21, 20242 yr This is the opinion of two guys. They're very entertaining, but hardly the be all and end all of player development talk. Sox have a long way to go, but the important thing is that they fix their ability to draft and develop players. This is merely a symptom. They fix the pipeline, the talent will take care of itself.
March 21, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, fathom said: I just see way too many low ceilings in this organization besides Schultz I agree, but you think Montgomery has a low ceiling?
March 21, 20242 yr Author 2 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: I agree, but you think Montgomery has a low ceiling? Only if he can't stick at SS/3B. Lower...not low.
March 21, 20242 yr 19 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Only if he can't stick at SS/3B. Lower...not low. If Monty can't stick at SS/3B he's a LH Andrew Vaughn
March 23, 20242 yr Honestly it's kind of a garbage write up. The Sox have actually built up some decent minor league pitching depth. If they have a couple more drafts to pad the depth they're likely to at least fill enough of the staff internally to free up a lot of potential money for a impact FA acquisition. The probably won't actually spend the money, but given they have fairly substantial financial flexibility that actually should work out in their favor for future value building.
March 23, 20242 yr On 3/21/2024 at 4:27 PM, Timmy U said: This is the opinion of two guys. They're very entertaining, but hardly the be all and end all of player development talk. Sox have a long way to go, but the important thing is that they fix their ability to draft and develop players. This is merely a symptom. They fix the pipeline, the talent will take care of itself. Same guys who picked us to win the division last year. Let's just play the games.
March 23, 20242 yr Author 40 minutes ago, mac9001 said: Honestly it's kind of a garbage write up. The Sox have actually built up some decent minor league pitching depth. If they have a couple more drafts to pad the depth they're likely to at least fill enough of the staff internally to free up a lot of potential money for a impact FA acquisition. The probably won't actually spend the money, but given they have fairly substantial financial flexibility that actually should work out in their favor for future value building. Except "unprecedented financial flexibility" last time ended up almost exclusively in the pockets of 30+ veterans.
March 23, 20242 yr Chris Getz and team have a lot of catching up to do. I hate Cleveland. MLB 26 and Under Power Rankings 22 Baltimore 10 MLBH; 4 MLBP; 5 MiLH; 3 MiLP 21 Atlanta 10 MLBH; 8 MLBP; 0 MiLH; 3 MiLP 21 Seattle 8 MLBH; 10 MLBP; 2 MiLH; 1 MiLP 20 Arizona 9 MLBH; 6 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 2 MiLP 19 Cleveland 6 MLBH; 9 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 1 MiLP 19 Cincinnati 8 MLBH; 7 MLBP; 1 MiLH; 3 MiLP 18 Los Angeles N. L. 3 MLBH; 10 MLBP; 2 MiLH; 3 MiLP 18 Milwaukee 7 MLBH; 4 MLBP; 4 MiLH; 3 MiLP 17 San Diego 8 MLBH; 3 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 3 MiLP 17 Detroit 5 MLBH; 4 MLBP; 4 MiLH; 4 MiLP 16 Minnesota 6 MLBH; 5 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 2 MiLP 16 Boston 7 MLBH; 4 MLBP; 4 MiLH; 1 MiLP 16 Saint Louis 8 MLBH; 2 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 3 MiLP 16 New York A. L. 9 MLBH; 1 MLBP; 2 MiLH; 4 MiLP 16 Chicago N. L. 4 MLBH; 4 MLBP; 4 MiLH; 4 MiLP 15 Tamps Bay 5 MLBH; 5 MLBP; 4 MiLH; 1 MiLP 15 Texas 7 MLBH; 1 MLBP; 5 MiLH; 2 MiLP 15 Pittsburgh 5 MLBH; 3 MLBP; 2 MiLH; 5 MiLP 15 Washington 4 MLBH; 5 MLBP; 5 MiLH; 1 MiLP 15 Kansas City 8 MLBH; 6 MLBP; 1 MiLH; 0 MiLP 14 Miami 3 MLBH; 9 MLBP; 0 MiLH; 2 MiLP 14 Toronto 7 MLBH; 2 MLBP; 2 MiLH; 3 MiLP 13 Philadelphia 6 MLBH; 2 MLBP; 1 MiLH; 4 MiLP 13 San Francisco 5 MLBH; 0 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 2 MiLP 12 New York N. L. 5 MLBH; 1 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 3 MiLP 12 Chicago A. L. 6 MLBH; 1 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 2 MiLP 11 Houston 6 MLBH; 2 MLBP; 2 MiLH; 1 MiLP 10 Los Angeles A. L. 5 MLBH; 4 MLBP; 1 MiLH; 0 MiLP 10 Oakland 3 MLBH; 3 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 1 MiLP 10 Colorado 5 MLBH; 0 MLBP; 3 MiLH; 2 MiLP Links: 1-5 6-10 11-15 16-20 21-25 26-30 American League Central: 5. Cleveland Guardians (total score: 19) Young MLB hitters (6/10): 2B Andres Gimenez, OF Steven Kwan, C Bo Naylor, SS Brayan Rocchio, OF Estevan Florial, INF Deyvison De Los Santos, INF/OF Tyler Freeman, INF Gabriel Arias, OF Will Brennan Young MLB pitchers (9/10): RHP Triston McKenzie, RHP Emmanuel Clase, RHP Tanner Bibee, LHP Logan Allen, RHP Gavin Williams, RHP Xzavion Curry, RHP Hunter Gaddis Prospect hitters (3/5): 1B Kyle Manzardo, OF Chase DeLauter, INF Juan Brito, OF George Valera, INF Jhonkensy Noel, INF Angel Martinez, INF Jose Tena Prospect pitchers (1/5): RHP Cade Smith, LHP Joey Cantillo, RHP Tanner Burns, LHP Will Dion, RHP Franco Aleman 10. Detroit Tigers (total score: 17) Young MLB hitters (5/10): OF Riley Greene, 1B Spencer Torkelson, OF Parker Meadows, OF Kerry Carpenter, OF Akil Baddoo Young MLB pitchers (4/10): RHP Reese Olson, RHP Matt Manning, RHP Beau Brieske, LHP Joey Wentz Prospect hitters (4/5): INF Jace Jung, 3B Justyn-Henry Malloy, C Dillon Dingler Prospect pitchers (4/5): RHP Sawyer Gipson-Long, RHP Wilmer Flores, RHP Jackson Jobe, RHP Ty Madden, RHP Troy Melton 11. Minnesota Twins (total score: 16) Young MLB hitters (6/10): 3B Royce Lewis, 2B Eduoard Julien, 1B Alex Kiriloff, OF Matt Wallner Young MLB pitchers (5/10): RHP Jhoan Duran, RHP Louie Varland Prospect hitters (3/5): INF Brooks Lee, INF/OF Austin Martin, OF Emmanuel Rodriguez Prospect pitchers (2/5): RHP Simeon Woods Richardson, RHP Matt Canterino, RHP David Festa, RHP Marco Raya 20. Kansas City Royals (total score: 15) Young MLB hitters (8/10): SS Bobby Witt Jr., 3B Maikel Garcia, 1B Vinnie Pasquantino, OF MJ Melendez, 2B Michael Massey, 1B Nick Pratto, OF Nelson Velazquez Young MLB pitchers (6/10): LHP Cole Ragans, LHP Kris Bubic, RHP John McMillon Prospect hitters (1/5): INF Nick Loftin, OF Tyler Gentry, 2B Peyton Wilson Prospect pitchers (0/5): LHP Angel Zerpa, RHP Mason Barnett, LHP Anthony Veneziano 26. Chicago White Sox (total score: 12) Young MLB hitters (6/10): OF Luis Robert Jr., 1B Andrew Vaughn, OF Dominic Fletcher Young MLB pitchers (1/10): LHP Garrett Crochet, RHP Deivi Garcia Prospect hitters (3/5): SS Colson Montgomery, C Edgar Quero, 3B Bryan Ramos Prospect pitchers (2/5): RHP Nick Nastrini, RHP Jordan Leasure, LHP Jake Eder, RHP Prelander Berroa
March 23, 20242 yr 4 minutes ago, poppysox said: Same guys who picked us to win the division last year. Let's just play the games. Like you?
March 23, 20242 yr 4 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Except "unprecedented financial flexibility" last time ended up almost exclusively in the pockets of 30+ veterans. The fact that they haven't been able to leverage financial flexibility into tangible assets doesn't mean it's still not valuable. The purpose on an exercise like this is to quantify value. Having money to spend is very valuable.
March 23, 20242 yr 10 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Like you? My point exactly. They know exactly what we know.
March 23, 20242 yr 11 hours ago, mac9001 said: Honestly it's kind of a garbage write up. The Sox have actually built up some decent minor league pitching depth. If they have a couple more drafts to pad the depth they're likely to at least fill enough of the staff internally to free up a lot of potential money for a impact FA acquisition. The probably won't actually spend the money, but given they have fairly substantial financial flexibility that actually should work out in their favor for future value building. I'm very surprised I didn't see Thorpe in their write-up. If you can't include the Minor League Pitcher of the year from last season as a top pitching prospect then I have to question the Sox rank. He's definitely among those less than 2 years away which was their criteria. And they talked about the Cease trade in the Padres write-up. So unless they did the worse teams 1st before the Cease trade and the Padres after the Cease trade , they have no reason to exclude Thorpe. Sox would have ranked higher than the Mets and tied with 2 other teams if their score was 1 higher. So theoretically they could be been ranked higher.
March 23, 20242 yr Author MLB in 2024: Win/Loss Predictions for All 30 Teams (newarena.com) 57-105 before the Cease trade...yikes.
March 24, 20242 yr Author White Sox ranked by The Athletic as having the 26th best Opening Day lineup The White Sox offense is led by center fielder Luis Robert Jr., who hit 38 home runs last year with 20 stolen bases. They’re hoping that DH Eloy Jiménez can stay healthy and play a full season and that Andrew Vaughn will have a breakout campaign. Their defense up the middle is much better than last year but they sacrificed offense for that improvement. https://theathletic.com/5355688/2024/03/22/mlb-lineup-ranking-braves-dodgers-rangers/?source=freeweeklyemail&campaign=602288&userId=310262 Marlins Nats Rockies A's finish worse. Marlins have Anderson/Burger but lost Soler's 36 homers. Nats will leap up standings with addition of James Wood in May. #21/24/25 Tigers Royals Guardians. Twins #12. Edited March 24, 20242 yr by caulfield12
March 24, 20242 yr 20 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: White Sox ranked by The Athletic as having the 26th best Opening Day lineup The White Sox offense is led by center fielder Luis Robert Jr., who hit 38 home runs last year with 20 stolen bases. They’re hoping that DH Eloy Jiménez can stay healthy and play a full season and that Andrew Vaughn will have a breakout campaign. Their defense up the middle is much better than last year but they sacrificed offense for that improvement. https://theathletic.com/5355688/2024/03/22/mlb-lineup-ranking-braves-dodgers-rangers/?source=freeweeklyemail&campaign=602288&userId=310262 Marlins Nats Rockies A's finish worse. Marlins have Anderson/Burger but lost Soler's 36 homers. Nats will leap up standings with addition of James Wood in May. #21/24/25 Tigers Royals Guardians. Twins #12. oh right, the incredible bats of Tim Anderson (.582 OPS) and Elvis Andrus (.662 OPS). oh yeah, Elvis is a free agent again by the way, I bet he's so lonesome he could cry (I don't think that was an Elvis song....whoa mama). I'm not exactly optimistic about this team, I just don't see any way it could be worse than it was last year. Edited March 24, 20242 yr by nrockway
March 24, 20242 yr 5 hours ago, nrockway said: oh right, the incredible bats of Tim Anderson (.582 OPS) and Elvis Andrus (.662 OPS). oh yeah, Elvis is a free agent again by the way, I bet he's so lonesome he could cry (I don't think that was an Elvis song....whoa mama). I'm not exactly optimistic about this team, I just don't see any way it could be worse than it was last year. And they were replaced by the much more incredible bats of Paul DeJong (.612 OPS) and Nicky Lopez (.632 OPS)! Add up the OPS’s of Anderson and Andrus and then DeJong and Lopez for a hilarious surprise. They’ll play better defense but they won’t score any runs either. Edited March 24, 20242 yr by WhiteSox2023
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