January 30, 20251 yr 19 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Looks like they were targeting exactly who many of us were hoping for so that's good. It's frustrating that they are hung up on eating money when payroll is only in the 60 millions or so. Fucking Jerry. Hasn't Arroyo slipped to the #80-100 range on most prospect lists? https://www.redreporter.com/2025/1/15/24344389/edwin-arroyo-cincinnati-reds-top-prospects Getting a previously-injured guy always runs a higher risk but of course you're buying at a lower price... No way Reinsdorf will eat enough money here to get this done... Edited January 30, 20251 yr by caulfield12
January 30, 20251 yr Author 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Hasn't Arroyo slipped to the #80-100 range on most prospect lists? We do seem to have a type.
January 30, 20251 yr 26 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Looks like they were targeting exactly who many of us were hoping for so that's good. It's frustrating that they are hung up on eating money when payroll is only in the 60 millions or so. Fucking Jerry. I don't think the White Sox should be eating any $$. He makes $15 million this year. It's perfectly reasonable.
January 30, 20251 yr 6 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don't think the White Sox should be eating any $$. He makes $15 million this year. It's perfectly reasonable. If that's what they have to do to get a good player from a team they should definitely do it.
January 30, 20251 yr 7 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don't think the White Sox should be eating any $$. He makes $15 million this year. It's perfectly reasonable. Let's say he is on a 2.5-3.0 fWAR pace...that's certainly worth the price tag at a premium position with future offensive upside, assuming the right coaching staff he will actually listen to and respect. Just roll the dice at this point...he certainly realizes playing well (and hustling) is the best way to escape his situation and land with a contender. Edited January 30, 20251 yr by caulfield12
January 30, 20251 yr 5 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: If that's what they have to do to get a good player from a team they should definitely do it. This would prompt me to wait and trade him at the deadline.
January 30, 20251 yr 5 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: This would prompt me to wait and trade him at the deadline. I don't think a good first half moves the meter much. The league is telling them what they think of him and the risk of him getting injured again and bringing back nothing is too great.
January 30, 20251 yr Author 8 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: This would prompt me to wait and trade him at the deadline. Without knowing the rest of the deal, I would fall here. If we are talking Arroyo and not much else? Eh. If you are getting another headliner like Collier and/or Stewart, plus a wild card or two? Do it. It's a sunk cost.
January 30, 20251 yr 8 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I don't think a good first half moves the meter much. The league is telling them what they think of him and the risk of him getting injured again and bringing back nothing is too great. Yeah I get it. I'd wait. Maybe someone gets hurt in spring training.
January 30, 20251 yr 10 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I don't think a good first half moves the meter much. The league is telling them what they think of him and the risk of him getting injured again and bringing back nothing is too great. It's like the other side of the Cease coin. They rolled the dice on that to mitigate downside risk and Preller likely ends up with an even better return for one year as there's also a QO for the acquiring team that Boras/Cease will automatically reject if healthy. There are only ten or so 25/25 guys in the entire sport. They don't exactly grow on trees. Get him with the Reds Guardians Dodgers Red Sox and he will take off again career-wise. Edited January 30, 20251 yr by caulfield12
January 30, 20251 yr 18 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Yeah I get it. I'd wait. Maybe someone gets hurt in spring training. It’s too bad Eloy didn’t sign as a starting OF somewhere.
January 30, 20251 yr 35 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don't think the White Sox should be eating any $$. He makes $15 million this year. It's perfectly reasonable. Trades don't exist in the abstract, Jimmy. If you are targeting prospects on a specific team you also have to have an appreciation of who you are dealing with and their interests and issues and look at things from their perspective and craft your proposals around that. Cincinnati has budget constraints and if we don't go into the negotiation taking that into account, then were not a serious organization. If we were halfway competent, we would eat the WHOLE 2025 salary if it meant enhancing the return. Our fucking payroll is abysmally low. If you can get Arroyo plus some other good piece too (Petty?) if you eat it all, then eat it all. Our payroll is in the 60s so who gives a f*** if we eat it? Jerry will make a killing with any payroll south of 100 and prolly even south of 150. Get your damn SS already. Edited January 30, 20251 yr by SoCalChiSox
January 30, 20251 yr 49 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Hasn't Arroyo slipped to the #80-100 range on most prospect lists? https://www.redreporter.com/2025/1/15/24344389/edwin-arroyo-cincinnati-reds-top-prospects Getting a previously-injured guy always runs a higher risk but of course you're buying at a lower price... No way Reinsdorf will eat enough money here to get this done... It depends on who else they would put in the deal and how much they want us to eat. If they threw in another very good piece if we ate all the 2025 salary, then eat it. Our payroll is in the 60s, so I don't see the rationale of not eating money, EVEN IF we have sustained losses the last few years. A payroll anywhere south of 100m is guaranteed to generate huge profits pretty much no matter what...im not sure what dicking around over a 50m payroll vs 65m payroll will accomplish.
January 30, 20251 yr 5 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: It depends on who else they would put in the deal and how much they want us to eat. If they threw in another very good piece if we ate all the 2025 salary, then eat it. Our payroll is in the 60s, so I don't see the rationale of not eating money, EVEN IF we have sustained losses the last few years. A payroll anywhere south of 100m is guaranteed to generate huge profits pretty much no matter what...im not sure what dicking around over a 50m payroll vs 65m payroll will accomplish. Well...this type of trade (where we ate let's say $15-20+ million for prospect return) has pretty much never happened under Reinsdorf, not even once. So there's that...
January 30, 20251 yr 27 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Well...this type of trade (where we ate let's say $15-20+ million for prospect return) has pretty much never happened under Reinsdorf, not even once. So there's that... When was the last time our payroll was in the 60s?
January 30, 20251 yr 6 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: When was the last time our payroll was in the 60s? 2005 lol...$75 million Actually 2004 and $65 million...then we dumped Magglio Caballo Valentin. Edited January 30, 20251 yr by caulfield12
January 30, 20251 yr Robert's floor is low but his ceiling is so high, I'm holding him until the deadline when everybody wants a bat. If he struggles then so be it, but I'm not selling him at his lowest point unless a team overpays right now, there's way too much talent left in him, let's see if the new coaching staff can get something out of him.
January 30, 20251 yr Author 10 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: When was the last time our payroll was in the 60s? This is going to be a financially interesting season. On paper, the Sox haven't turned a profit since 2019, which is the first time in Forbes recorded history, that has ever happened. We will see what 2024 looks like when the numbers are released here towards the beginning of the season. Right now the Sox basically have zero TV revenue on the books. They have a couple of small deals in place, but no anchor deals to speak of. That is a large chunk of revenues right there. They are also about to put up their smallest attendance year year this century. They put up 1.338m through the turnstiles in 1999. They had 1.38 last year. If they go below the 1999 number, their next lower number happened in 1989 when they barely cleared a million. This will probably be a 36 year low for attendance and the lowest ever at the new ballpark. I am sure everything else attached to revenues is going to be at multi-decade lows as well once you account for parking dollars, advertising dollars, concessions, etc.
January 30, 20251 yr Well, once they trade Luis Robert and Andrew Benintendi, they have only pre-arb and arb salaries for 2026.
January 30, 20251 yr 12 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Well, once they trade Luis Robert and Andrew Benintendi, they have only pre-arb and arb salaries for 2026. It’s all so pathetic
January 30, 20251 yr 24 minutes ago, Rey21 said: Robert's floor is low but his ceiling is so high, I'm holding him until the deadline when everybody wants a bat. If he struggles then so be it, but I'm not selling him at his lowest point unless a team overpays right now, there's way too much talent left in him, let's see if the new coaching staff can get something out of him. Yeah, this seems like a fairly simple equation, and I'm sure it's an exercise the FO has gone through. They have a threshold of what they would move Robert for today. If there isn't a team meeting them at that threshold, they are holding onto him. At that point, there are basically two directions you take it. 1. Robert bounces back in the first half of the year, stays healthy, and is a soon to be 28 year CF who is raking and has two more years of team control after 2025 2. Robert puts up a similar performance in 2025 that he did in 2024, and his value either stays the same or goes down even further. At that point, you either lower your threshold of what it will take to move him, or continue hoping he unlocks his tools.
January 30, 20251 yr 31 minutes ago, Rey21 said: Robert's floor is low but his ceiling is so high, I'm holding him until the deadline when everybody wants a bat. If he struggles then so be it, but I'm not selling him at his lowest point unless a team overpays right now, there's way too much talent left in him, let's see if the new coaching staff can get something out of him. Moncada's's floor is low but his ceiling is so high, I'm holding him until the deadline when everybody wants a bat. If he struggles then so be it, but I'm not selling him at his lowest point unless a team overpays right now, there's way too much talent left in him, let's see if the new coaching staff can get something out of him.
January 30, 20251 yr I'm torn on what I would do with him but for some reason I feel like he's going to dealt in Spring Training.
January 30, 20251 yr Author 10 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Moncada's's floor is low but his ceiling is so high, I'm holding him until the deadline when everybody wants a bat. If he struggles then so be it, but I'm not selling him at his lowest point unless a team overpays right now, there's way too much talent left in him, let's see if the new coaching staff can get something out of him. You mean Robert? Moncada is already gone.
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