Send money? hahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahhahaaha.

18 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Send money? hahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahhahaaha.

Yeah, I just listened to the podcast and now I think Wittenmeyer is a dope.  He mentioned how the Sox could pay Robert’s entire contract — well, sure they could Gordon, but look at who the owner is.  Not.gonna.happen.

Also, Wittenmeyer said that this would only be a one-year proposition for the Reds to acquire Robert so they aren’t going to want to pay too much.  Huh?  Does he not know about Robert’s team options for 2026 and 2027?  This report lost all value once you realize Wittenmeyer is clueless.

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4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yeah, I just listened to the podcast and now I think Wittenmeyer is a dope.  He mentioned how the Sox could pay Robert’s entire contract — well, sure they could Gordon, but look at who the owner is.

Also, Wittenmeyer said that this would be a one-year proposition only for the Red to acquire Robert.  Huh?  Does he not know about Robert’s team options for 2026 and 2027?  This report lost all value once you realize Wittenmeyer is clueless.

I just don't get it and have no tolerance or patience for it anymore. The door has been slammed shut. Like 4 years ago you could squint and see "competitive offers" and believe we would open the purse when it made sense. Now we've created a team so talent poor that even if the Sox went on a Dodgers like spending spree it would still only propel them to 78-85 wins.

I don't think it was their goal of course, but it is disheartening they've created a situation so awful that simply spending money won't solve anything soon.

So to talk about sending money out in trades is just lunacy. Only someone dropped on earth yesterday would assume such a thing about JR and the Sox at this point.

29 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I’m not a fan of Justin Crawford 

I’m not opposed to the White Sox eating $$ but they need a much better headliner than Edwin Arroyo to do so. 

Does one exist in the Reds' system? 

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Does one exist in the Reds' system? 

He’s not their #1 prospect. MLB has him as 5th.

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13 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I just don't get it and have no tolerance or patience for it anymore. The door has been slammed shut. Like 4 years ago you could squint and see "competitive offers" and believe we would open the purse when it made sense. Now we've created a team so talent poor that even if the Sox went on a Dodgers like spending spree it would still only propel them to 78-85 wins.

I don't think it was their goal of course, but it is disheartening they've created a situation so awful that simply spending money won't solve anything soon.

So to talk about sending money out in trades is just lunacy. Only someone dropped on earth yesterday would assume such a thing about JR and the Sox at this point.

And keep in mind, Wittenmeyer covered the Cubs beat for years here in Chicago for both the Sun Times and NBC Sports Chicago, so he should be very aware of Jerry’s cheapness.  What a clown.

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4 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

He’s not their #1 prospect 

But there's only pitchers ahead of him on Pipeline's 2024 list. Burns or Lowder seem to be out of Robert's league. 

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Does one exist in the Reds' system? 

Sure, their two top pitching prospects, but they won’t be trading either for Robert.  And the Sox need a position prospect headliner anyways.  But I assume that is what you are getting at.

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15 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

He’s not their #1 prospect. MLB has him as 5th.

Yep, and MLB has him at #92 on there top 100 list.  Arroyo’s value is down because he missed the entire 2024 season after having surgery to repair a torn labrum in his left shoulder.  So realistically, the Sox would need to get back another good prospect along with Arroyo to trade Robert (and eat some of his money — haha!).

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14 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

But there's only pitchers ahead of him on Pipeline's 2024 list. Burns or Lowder seem to be out of Robert's league. 

Yeah. I just think if you get the two top guys you want (no matter who it is because it’s likely 2 position players), might as well eat some of the money. I think he’s kind of risky to carry into the season. Just be done with it.

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8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yeah. I just think if you get the two top guys you want (no matter who it is because it’s likely 2 position players), might as well eat some of the money. I think he’s kind of risky to carry into the season. Just be done with it.

Yep, cuz you know if Robert has another mediocre-to-bad season, Jerry isn’t going to approve Robert’s $20 million dollar team option.  No way, no how.  He’s getting his $2 million dollar payout.

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4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yep, cuz you know if Robert has another mediocre-to-bad season, Jerry isn’t going to approve Robert’s $20 million dollar team options.  No way, no how.  He’s getting his $2 million dollar payout.

I’m more thinking he’ll end up on the IL in April or May and miss significant time…again

14 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

I’m more thinking he’ll end up on the IL in April or May and miss significant time…again

That’s definitely the pessimistic view, but it’s well-earned when it comes to Robert.  I see no way the Sox have that kind of risk appetite with Robert after what they have already see with his injury-prone buddies in Moncada and Eloy.  They traded Cease after a “down” season rather have roll the dice, so I see no way they will take a chance entering the season with Robert.

In true cheap ass Jerry fashion, the Sox will end up accepting a lesser return while eating little or no money for Robert.  And the usual suspect posters will try to defend the move.

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12 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yeah. I just think if you get the two top guys you want (no matter who it is because it’s likely 2 position players), might as well eat some of the money. I think he’s kind of risky to carry into the season. Just be done with it.

Garfein seems to be of the opinion that if Robert looks healthy and rakes for a couple weeks in ST, Getz takes the best offer. 

4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Garfein seems to be of the opinion that if Robert looks healthy and rakes for a couple weeks in ST, Getz takes the best offer. 

Yeah, I can also see that. Kinda like the Cease route

8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yeah, I can also see that. Kinda like the Cease route

In this case its far more justifiable given his injury history and the risk of him being non-tendered.

I just wonder if people are ready for him going while bringing a return weaker than the Cease deal. 

29 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

But there's only pitchers ahead of him on Pipeline's 2024 list. Burns or Lowder seem to be out of Robert's league. 

Collier and Stewart have passed Arroyo on the Top 100 and will presumably do so on the updated Reds list whenever it comes out. 

7 minutes ago, Lyle Moooton said:

Collier and Stewart have passed Arroyo on the Top 100 and will presumably do so on the updated Reds list whenever it comes out. 

Collier is 91 and Arroyo is 92 for those who don’t know. Get those 2 and let them keep their top 3. Obviously not possible now but they can be interested again later.

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58 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yeah, I just listened to the podcast and now I think Wittenmeyer is a dope.  He mentioned how the Sox could pay Robert’s entire contract — well, sure they could Gordon, but look at who the owner is.  Not.gonna.happen.

Also, Wittenmeyer said that this would only be a one-year proposition for the Reds to acquire Robert so they aren’t going to want to pay too much.  Huh?  Does he not know about Robert’s team options for 2026 and 2027?  This report lost all value once you realize Wittenmeyer is clueless.

He's a Cub-fan boy who openly rooted for them when he was working in Chicago, what do you expect?

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Good point.  Why would they sign a legit manager to a 3-year deal with a 4th year option if they aren’t “going for it”?

And why would Francona come out of retirement for the Reds of all teams if there weren't promises made about making a legit effort to win?

2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I’m not a fan of Justin Crawford 

I’m not opposed to the White Sox eating $$ but they need a much better headliner than Edwin Arroyo to do so. 

I totally get the concerns with Crawford and maybe his profile is too risky to be the sole return for Robert, but I’d much rather have him than something built around Arroyo.

17 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I totally get the concerns with Crawford and maybe his profile is too risky to be the sole return for Robert, but I’d much rather have him than something built around Arroyo.

I think I would prefer to build around Arroyo. Sucks they dealt that draft pick and Sirota in the Lux deal.

22 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I totally get the concerns with Crawford and maybe his profile is too risky to be the sole return for Robert, but I’d much rather have him than something built around Arroyo.

Why don't you like Arroyo? I have no opinion, just curious. Thanks. 

I could see the Sox getting something done in ST with the Mets and Jett Williams will be the headliner along with another piece.

On 1/30/2025 at 7:21 PM, striker said:

Sox need to hold onto Robert until the trade deadline, gives us something to talk about.