Chicago White Sox Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 11 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Why don't you like Arroyo? I have no opinion, just curious. Thanks. Just think he’s a lower ceiling guy and I’d rather aim a bit higher given we’re just kicking off a rebuild. And yes, I’m aware that Crawford slaps the ball a lot and the defense hasn’t come together just yet, but I feel if it all clicks he’s a more impactful player than Arroyo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 21 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: I could see the Sox getting something done in ST with the Mets and Jett Williams will be the headliner along with another piece. Why the Mets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, Tnetennba said: And why would Francona come out of retirement for the Reds of all teams if there weren't promises made about making a legit effort to win? I can still totally see the Reds refusing to meet the White Sox demands as far as prospects and the inclusion of cash (or lack thereof) goes. Yes, adding Robert could make the Reds a much better team but it’s not like they can’t currently field a starting outfield — TJ Friedl in CF with Austin Hays and Jake Fraley in the corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I can still totally see the Reds refusing to meet the White Sox demands as far as prospects and the inclusion of cash (or lack thereof) goes. Yes, adding Robert could make the Reds a much better team but it’s not like they can’t currently field a starting outfield — TJ Friedl in CF with Austin Hays and Jake Fraley in the corners. They’re not really an option now unless there’s an injury or one of those guys just sucks during the regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Even though I’m not super high on him, I will say it’s nice to see that the Reds were willing to include Arroyo in a Robert trade vs. this idea he basically has little to no value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 48 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Why the Mets? They won't ask us to eat money unlike the Reds and Getz may be able to buy low on a couple prospects that fit what Getz is looking for (up the middle positions, speed/athleticism, take their walks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Even though I’m not super high on him, I will say it’s nice to see that the Reds were willing to include Arroyo in a Robert trade vs. this idea he basically has little to no value. Eh, considering the player Robert is supposed to be, should we really be impressed that a team offered a #92 rated MLB prospect for Robert with the Sox paying down some of his contract? That’s like Fedde value. Edited February 5 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 28 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Eh, considering the player Robert is supposed to be, should we really be impressed that a team offered a #92 rated MLB prospect for Robert with the Sox paying down some of his contract? That’s like Fedde value. One of the main insiders here has been suggesting fair value could be Robert + prospects for Lux…this certainly proves the floor right now is much higher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 42 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: One of the main insiders here has been suggesting fair value could be Robert + prospects for Lux…this certainly proves the floor right now is much higher. Didn't you hear that Lux Flaherty and Edman teamed with Kopech to basically win the WS for LA ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 11 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Even though I’m not super high on him, I will say it’s nice to see that the Reds were willing to include Arroyo in a Robert trade vs. this idea he basically has little to no value. And the reports include that it is two of their top five. Their top 5 is the two pitchers with super high ceilings in Chase Burns and Rhett Lowder who hit the majors last year as the top 2, then Arroyo. Stewart and Collier also come in as IF prospects with some helium. The Sox could use any and all combinations of players there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 14 hours ago, Tnetennba said: And why would Francona come out of retirement for the Reds of all teams if there weren't promises made about making a legit effort to win? While this does make sense, I think we also have to consider that Tito was in Cleveland dealing with the exact same s%*# and he didn’t b**** and complain, he just figured it out and won. Now maybe it’s different for the Reds because of promises made, but I can’t imagine he thought they would be bellying up to the bar with the Dodgers in contract talks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said: While this does make sense, I think we also have to consider that Tito was in Cleveland dealing with the exact same s%*# and he didn’t b**** and complain, he just figured it out and won. Now maybe it’s different for the Reds because of promises made, but I can’t imagine he thought they would be bellying up to the bar with the Dodgers in contract talks Oh no, I'm not suggesting that they are. Cincinnati is still a smaller market team after all. But I just can't see Francona at his age and with his health history, choosing the Reds of all teams if there weren't some convincing assurances. He could have any job he wanted at this point in his career, why willingly chose another small market team with cheap ownership and all of the bullshit that comes with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) Thought this one at foxsports.com site had one interesting inclusion... Edited February 5 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Thought this one at foxsports.com site had one interesting inclusion... I know, right? Shohei isn't really a bargain at this point. He's worth his contract, but I don't know if you can call a $700M contract a "bargain." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 13 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Eh, considering the player Robert is supposed to be, should we really be impressed that a team offered a #92 rated MLB prospect for Robert with the Sox paying down some of his contract? That’s like Fedde value. He is not an impact player in my view. 90% potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 12 minutes ago, Quin said: I know, right? Shohei isn't really a bargain at this point. He's worth his contract, but I don't know if you can call a $700M contract a "bargain." I was just going to say that. Seems wild that a contract paying him not much less than the worth of the entire Miami Marlins franchise is a bargain, but I guess in this day and age if it could be done, it would be Shohei. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Wednesday at 07:27 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:27 PM 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I was just going to say that. Seems wild that a contract paying him not much less than the worth of the entire Miami Marlins franchise is a bargain, but I guess in this day and age if it could be done, it would be Shohei. That idea once again he cost like $2 million or whatever in 2024 salary and generated upwards of $100+ million in revenues/media attention the Dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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