17 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Dodgers' fans definitely speculating he would be the perfect fit over there...depending on prospect capital surrender.

They get to watch him on a daily basis in Glendale...after all.

And they really don't have a clear CF right now...really looks like Edman will play second.

Absolutely not. Only make a deal with the Dodgers if they significantly overpay. 

2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Looking into the Mariners projected lineup, unless they are bumping a guy they just extended to the bench (Robles) which they could do, trade 2 years of Arozarena to move some money, and want to play Robert in a corner, the Mariners don't really seem like a fit.

There's also Dom Canzone, who they seem intent on finding regular AB's, and Haniger's corpse taking up a roster spot. DH is fairly wide open, but I get the sense they will rotate guys through over finding a regular. I would take Robert over anyone not named Julio, but Seattle ownership is cheap and the FO seems content with what they have. I just don't see them pursuing Robert before the deadline, if at all.

19 hours ago, WestEddy said:

I think it could be like Cease. Somebody who was ready to pull the trigger on a deal, but an owner advised them to make sure he's healthy. I'm making all of this up, of course.

 

Feels like a good time to strike a deal if it's going to happen any time soon.  

The Dodgers optioned Hyeseong Kim.  If they move Edman to 2B they're gonna need a CF'er.  

18 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

The Dodgers optioned Hyeseong Kim.  If they move Edman to 2B they're gonna need a CF'er.  

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1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

The Dodgers optioned Hyeseong Kim.  If they move Edman to 2B they're gonna need a CF'er.  

I would say Rushing, but catcher is the last thing the Sox need now. Unless he can play outfield.

18 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

I would say Rushing, but catcher is the last thing the Sox need now. Unless he can play outfield.

Zyhir Hope and Josue de Paula would be the two asks...and maybe Freeland, SS...so one of those two outfielders, but they're not THAT desperate to give up two Top 10 guys.  Not yet.

Fallback would be Kellon Lindsay, another SS recently drafted.

32 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

I would say Rushing, but catcher is the last thing the Sox need now. Unless he can play outfield.

De Paula or Hope would need to be the centerpiece.

18 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Zyhir Hope and Josue de Paula would be the two asks...and maybe Freeland, SS...so one of those two outfielders, but they're not THAT desperate to give up two Top 10 guys.  Not yet.

Fallback would be Kellon Lindsay, another SS recently drafted.

You have to get De Paula or Hope full stop plus a decent second piece or two, even if those pieces are unlikely to be of the top 100 variety.

32 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

You have to get De Paula or Hope full stop plus a decent second piece or two, even if those pieces are unlikely to be of the top 100 variety.

You wouldn’t trade Robert straight up for De Paula?  He’s rated #40 overall by MLB.  Hope is rated #74.  I would be fine without the extra pieces.

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28 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You wouldn’t trade Robert straight up for De Paula?  He’s rated #40 overall by MLB.  Hope is rated #74.  I would be fine without the extra pieces.

My point was more around needing to get De Paula or Hope vs. other potential headliners in their system, but I’d certainly push for more than just a single 55 FV prospect for Robert.  Cease got us a prospect ranked in the 60’s at multiple publications (55 FV guy) plus two other org top 10 prospects (one who was cracking some top 100 lists) and people are already ridiculing that trade for being light.  And yes, a positional prospect of that stature is worth more than Thorpe was at the time, but the point remains the same.  Doing a one for one swap with a potential star is a bad practice and we should try to diversify some risk by getting second piece and possibly a lottery ticket.

20 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

My point was more around needing to get De Paula or Hope vs. other potential headliners in their system, but I’d certainly push for more than just a single 55 FV prospect for Robert.  Cease got us a prospect ranked in the 60’s at multiple publications (55 FV guy) plus two other org top 10 prospects (one who was cracking some top 100 lists) and people are already ridiculing that trade for being light.  And yes, a positional prospect of that stature is worth more than Thorpe was at the time, but the point remains the same.  Doing a one for one swap with a potential star is a bad practice and we should try to diversify some risk by getting second piece and possibly a lottery ticket.

Thorpe was #85 on MLB‘s top 100 list at the time of the Cease trade.  I just don’t think you are going to get that much for Robert.  De Paula alone might be asking too much unless the Sox wait until the trade deadline and Robert plays like an MVP in the first half.

I like DePaula, but I think he is unathletic. Probably leftfield profile possibly trending to left. Hope is a far better defender. He could possibly stick in center. Slam dunk in right. I could see Hope and Freeland for Robert. That said, I would rather just keep Luis. He is literally their only good player. I would love to have something to watch for at least the first half of the season.

With the Dodgers, I like the idea of Hope plus a couple of other guys reasonably ranked- Freeland and another top 10.  Hope has potential galore. That way, the Sox  avoid the Outmans and Pages that the Dodgers are gonna want to send;  the Dodgers keep their three highest ranked prospects,  but they still feel some sting.  

 

Hope and Vargas would get it done imo. 

Freeland and Hope please, and a back 30 or two.

If I'm the Dodgers I'm not calling the Sox about a deal. I'm looking for a WS caliber player and I have serious concerns after his last season. But if Getz should call I'll take the call and offer much less than what's being proposed here. He's damaged goods with the stink of failure still clinging to his glove and bat. 

 

21 minutes ago, Texsox said:

If I'm the Dodgers I'm not calling the Sox about a deal. I'm looking for a WS caliber player and I have serious concerns after his last season. But if Getz should call I'll take the call and offer much less than what's being proposed here. He's damaged goods with the stink of failure still clinging to his glove and bat. 

 

I get that to an extent. But this guy would literally hit like 5th or 6th in that lineup (maybe 6th if they want to keep the L-R-L-R etc balance going).

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2 hours ago, Timmy U said:

I like DePaula, but I think he is unathletic. Probably leftfield profile possibly trending to left. Hope is a far better defender. He could possibly stick in center. Slam dunk in right. I could see Hope and Freeland for Robert. That said, I would rather just keep Luis. He is literally their only good player. I would love to have something to watch for at least the first half of the season.

There is plenty of things to watch this season, there are numerous intriguing young pitchers and position players to be excited about that will either break camp or be with the team shortly after.

There is literally zero reason to keep Robert provided he rebuilds his value and we can get a nice return for him. 

27 minutes ago, Texsox said:

If I'm the Dodgers I'm not calling the Sox about a deal. I'm looking for a WS caliber player and I have serious concerns after his last season. But if Getz should call I'll take the call and offer much less than what's being proposed here. He's damaged goods with the stink of failure still clinging to his glove and bat. 

 

I hate to say it, but there's a lot of truth here. It would take more than a nice spring training to remove both the odor and the injury fear. 

16 minutes ago, T R U said:

There is plenty of things to watch this season, there are numerous intriguing young pitchers and position players to be excited about that will either break camp or be with the team shortly after.

There is literally zero reason to keep Robert provided he rebuilds his value and we can get a nice return for him. 

To be honest, there are a ton of things that will be fun to watch this year.  The bulk of the rotation is going to be young, controllable guys.  Martin, Burke, Smith, Thorpe, & Cannon (and eventually others) will make most games worth watching to some extent.  The infield and catching areas are loaded with youth that will arrive over the 1H.  Even 1B & DH should have some interesting kids to follow in Vargas, Sosa, Ramos, etc.

The OF is the only real area that lacks young talent and no doubt it will be ugly if they trade Robert, but if you get the right return you have to do it.  I would need one high ceiling positional prospect (preferably an OF) to even consider a trade along with some other stuff.  De Paula (despite lacking defensive value) and Hope would both qualify.  There is a package there that could work for both sides, but I just don’t buy the Dodgers giving up one of those kids (plus more) for Robert right now.  An end of camp trade usually requires a desperate buyer or seller and neither the Sox or Dodgers fit the mold at the moment.

7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

To be honest, there are a ton of things that will be fun to watch this year.  The bulk of the rotation is going to be young, controllable guys.  Martin, Burke, Smith, Thorpe, & Cannon (and eventually others) will make most games worth watching to some extent.  The infield and catching areas are loaded with youth that will arrive over the 1H.  Even 1B & DH should have some interesting kids to follow in Vargas, Sosa, Ramos, etc.

The OF is the only real area that lacks young talent and no doubt it will be ugly if they trade Robert, but if you get the right return you have to do it.  I would need one high ceiling positional prospect (preferably an OF) to even consider a trade along with some other stuff.  De Paula (despite lacking defensive value) and Hope would both qualify.  There is a package there that could work for both sides, but I just don’t buy the Dodgers giving up one of those kids (plus more) for Robert right now.  An end of camp trade usually requires a desperate buyer or seller and neither the Sox or Dodgers fit the mold at the moment.

You are way more confident than I am that the Sox won't wedge in old and crappy players in the name of building trade value for guys that no one will ever want, just like they did last year.  I am waiting to see how the 26 plays out before I even start to have any hope for 2025 being worth a damn.

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

You are way more confident than I am that the Sox won't wedge in old and crappy players in the name of building trade value for guys that no one will ever want, just like they did last year.  I am waiting to see how the 26 plays out before I even start to have any hope for 2025 being worth a damn.

Which prospects were blocked last year though?  The reality is the org was so broken that there wasn’t much young talent pushing for playing time.

6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Which prospects were blocked last year though?  The reality is the org was so broken that there wasn’t much young talent pushing for playing time.

There were a ton of players last year who should have been playing, but did not, starting with Fletcher and DeLoach.

10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

You are way more confident than I am that the Sox won't wedge in old and crappy players in the name of building trade value for guys that no one will ever want, just like they did last year.  I am waiting to see how the 26 plays out before I even start to have any hope for 2025 being worth a damn.

Pedro Grifol isn't around to prioritize "winning now" over youth.