southsider2k5 Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 6 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: After the Caba trade, it almost would have to be Crawford right? I still think the Phillies make tons of sense for Robert Another middle IF and CF make a lot of sense here as the ask. Aiden Miller would obviously be the ideal ask, but who knows if they can pry him loose. Crawford has to be almost a certainty as an ask. From there, it is what your scouts think of some of the guys down the line as to what you settle for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 4 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Ah fun. I guess we could also mention the Cease and Quintana deals as risk/reward payoffs, but Captain Panic operations aren't a big surprise. Yeah you'd be a much better GM under JR 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 6 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Yeah you'd be a much better GM under JR 😂 Good news is that you never have to worry about it because I won't tell him what he wants to hear for the job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 That's good news, here I was worried we'd be asking for "bottom prospects". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Considering the Phillies have 3 top 100 prospects, and their #4 prospect is an 18 year old catcher who is probably years away from even qualifying for the MLB pipeline list, this actually seems like a reasonable ask. My guess is that the Phillies would probably like to hold onto their #5 prospect, Mick Abel, who could see big league action this year and who is on their 40 man roster so that part is not a good match, but their number 6 prospect is a 20 year old outfielder taken 27th overall last year in the draft. Catcher Eduardo Tait and outfielder Dante Nori for Robert, I could see the Phillies not scoffing at this. I think the White Sox would scoff at that, however. The Sox should also take Rojas back. While probably not an important piece in the long run, he keeps the defense stable in CF. And if I were running this operation, I would insist on stout D as it builds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 56 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: After the Caba trade, it almost would have to be Crawford right? I still think the Phillies make tons of sense for Robert I would 100% take Crawford right now. Sounds like The Phillies wouldn’t do it, but if they had some balls and actually want to beat the Dodgers in the post season they should swing for the fences with a Robert trade. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I would 100% take Crawford right now. Sounds like The Phillies wouldn’t do it, but if they had some balls and actually want to beat the Dodgers in the post season they should swing for the fences with a Robert trade. Honestly I think Getz just spamming the "im p****" meme at other GMs might get the best deals. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Sox need to hold onto Robert until the trade deadline, gives us something to talk about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 hours ago, GreenSox said: I think the White Sox would scoff at that, however. The Sox should also take Rojas back. While probably not an important piece in the long run, he keeps the defense stable in CF. And if I were running this operation, I would insist on stout D as it builds. If you’re dumping a guy for salary relief, you are dumping a guy for salary relief. If you thing you can demand a strong return for Robert then you have to hold him. You only get to insist on a better deal If you’re willing to say no, wait for it, and get the player better this season. The Phillies 4 and 6 prospects is better than paying him $15 million this season and nontendering him next November. Do you have confidence you can fix him and get him his first healthy season? I’ll hang up and listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 5 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: I would 100% take Crawford right now. Sounds like The Phillies wouldn’t do it, but if they had some balls and actually want to beat the Dodgers in the post season they should swing for the fences with a Robert trade. If we couldn't pry Arroyo, we almost certainly will not be able to get Crawford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said: If we couldn't pry Arroyo, we almost certainly will not be able to get Crawford. Primary difference here is the Phillies are not financially-challenged like Cincy. They are also WS or bust as an organization at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Sox probably asking for Arroyo + Collier in return. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 10 hours ago, Balta1701 said: If you’re dumping a guy for salary relief, you are dumping a guy for salary relief. If you thing you can demand a strong return for Robert then you have to hold him. You only get to insist on a better deal If you’re willing to say no, wait for it, and get the player better this season. The Phillies 4 and 6 prospects is better than paying him $15 million this season and nontendering him next November. Do you have confidence you can fix him and get him his first healthy season? I’ll hang up and listen. When you floated the 2 of Phillies top 5 proposition, I remembered that they had an interesting SS prospect; I missed the Christmas Eve trade where they sent him to Miami for Luzardo. Nice prospect for the Marlins. You may be correct that that is Robert's value right now. I have no idea whether they "fix" him or not, but I it's worth the risk. My hesitancy there is that a year ago, Getz wanted to "build around" Robert; by the summer, he was anxious to trade him. Is it just because he had a lousy year, or was "build around" just Getz-speak for "we'll trade him later, not now" or is there something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 9 minutes ago, GreenSox said: When you floated the 2 of Phillies top 5 proposition, I remembered that they had an interesting SS prospect; I missed the Christmas Eve trade where they sent him to Miami for Luzardo. Nice prospect for the Marlins. You may be correct that that is Robert's value right now. I have no idea whether they "fix" him or not, but I it's worth the risk. My hesitancy there is that a year ago, Getz wanted to "build around" Robert; by the summer, he was anxious to trade him. Is it just because he had a lousy year, or was "build around" just Getz-speak for "we'll trade him later, not now" or is there something else? Must be un-addressable character concerns with Grifol/Robert relationship...maybe newfound belief Venable and Fuller can reach him with examples of Moncada/Jimenez/Anderson flaming out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 15 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said: If we couldn't pry Arroyo, we almost certainly will not be able to get Crawford. Oh I fully agree, just saying Crawford would be enough for me to do a deal if I were Getz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) AL Central -- Luis Robert Jr., White Sox To dethrone Bobby Witt Jr. as the top player in the AL Central, you need to find someone else who can be an elite power-speed-defense triple threat. Robert can be that player. He's just a year removed from a 38-homer, 20-steal season with +13 Outs Above Average in center field, where he was one of the stars of the Central. Robert's never been the best player in the division, but he's been close. That means there's a path for him to get to the top. Say Robert bounces back with a 30-30 season and Gold Glove-caliber defense at a premium position in 2025. That would put him in Witt's category. Robert might be a boom-or-bust player, but if he booms, it will be a big boom. https://www.mlb.com/news/potential-breakout-star-of-each-division-2025 Edited February 1 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Garfein Podcast with Gordon Wittenmeyer (of the Cincinnati Enquirer) about Robert to the Reds trade talks. Basically saying the Sox would have to send money to get their two top prospects they're asking for. https://linktr.ee/CHSNPodcasts?lt_utm_source=lt_share_link#429033152 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 12 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Garfein Podcast with Gordon Wittenmeyer (of the Cincinnati Enquirer) about Robert to the Reds trade talks. Basically saying the Sox would have to send money to get their two top prospects they're asking for. https://linktr.ee/CHSNPodcasts?lt_utm_source=lt_share_link#429033152 I wonder how much. Hypothetically, I would do it since his value is down and our payroll is low anyway. Edited February 4 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 17 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Garfein Podcast with Gordon Wittenmeyer (of the Cincinnati Enquirer) about Robert to the Reds trade talks. Basically saying the Sox would have to send money to get their two top prospects they're asking for. https://linktr.ee/CHSNPodcasts?lt_utm_source=lt_share_link#429033152 If they are getting two top guys they want, just eat the money and be done with it. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If they are getting two top guys they want, just eat the money and be done with it. That's how I feel. He's only making $15M this year. Pay half that. It's not much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If they are getting two top guys they want, just eat the money and be done with it. It's a pretty interesting interview. Wittenmeyer's saying the Reds go back and forth on payroll. Francona and others want Robert. Wittenmeyer thinks it could happen in spring training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 10 minutes ago, WestEddy said: It's a pretty interesting interview. Wittenmeyer's saying the Reds go back and forth on payroll. Francona and others want Robert. Wittenmeyer thinks it could happen in spring training. If Francona really wants him then just get it done. What else did you hire the guy for? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 21 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: If Francona really wants him then just get it done. What else did you hire the guy for? Good point. Why would they sign a legit manager to a 3-year deal with a 4th year option if they aren’t “going for it”? Edited February 4 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 36 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If they are getting two top guys they want, just eat the money and be done with it. Agreed. Do it. The cash included may counter Robert’s loss of value for being so bad last season. Pay up for the better prospects you want, especially considering two things — he’s your last good trade piece and god knows the Getz has cut the payroll so much ($67 million?) they have some money to burn. Edited February 4 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 1/31/2025 at 1:21 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Oh I fully agree, just saying Crawford would be enough for me to do a deal if I were Getz. I’m not a fan of Justin Crawford 51 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Garfein Podcast with Gordon Wittenmeyer (of the Cincinnati Enquirer) about Robert to the Reds trade talks. Basically saying the Sox would have to send money to get their two top prospects they're asking for. https://linktr.ee/CHSNPodcasts?lt_utm_source=lt_share_link#429033152 I’m not opposed to the White Sox eating $$ but they need a much better headliner than Edwin Arroyo to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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