9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

You mean Robert?  Moncada is already gone.

The point is, people could say that about Moncada last year (or year before). He got hurt and missed most of/pretty close to the full season.

Harold literally copied exactly what the poster he quoted said, but swapped the names.

Edited January 30, 20251 yr by Bob Sacamano

6 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

The point is, people could say that about Moncada last year (or year before). He got hurt and missed most of/pretty close to the full season.

Harold literally copied exactly what the poster he quoted said, but swapped the names.

Ah fun.  I guess we could also mention the Cease and Quintana deals as risk/reward payoffs, but Captain Panic operations aren't a big surprise.

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

The Sox seem to view Robert as a salary dump?  Awesome.

Remember when you argued ad nauseam last month about how terrific Robert’s contract was and all the value it had? Lol

I don't really think he will be traded before the season starts but wouldn't blame them if they didn't want to risk holding onto him.

31 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Moncada's's floor is low but his ceiling is so high, I'm holding him until the deadline when everybody wants a bat. If he struggles then so be it, but I'm not selling him at his lowest point unless a team overpays right now, there's way too much talent left in him, let's see if the new coaching staff can get something out of him.

Kewl, I'm still holding onto Robert unless someone pays a premium right now  

49 minutes ago, fathom said:

It’s all so pathetic 

Turns out the Sox need to eat the entire contract if they want Lux.

23 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

I don't really think he will be traded before the season starts but wouldn't blame them if they didn't want to risk holding onto him.

And if Jerry is really that hard up for cash, the decision to trade him before the season might not be a baseball decision alone but one made just to move the contract off the books.

8 minutes ago, Quin said:

Turns out the Sox need to eat the entire contract if they want Lux.

And throw in both Montys, just to get them to take our money. 

7 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

And if Jerry is really that hard up for cash, the decision to trade him before the season might not be a baseball decision alone but one made just to move the contract off the books.

If the White Sox aren't able to get a star for him but are able to get something, I could be talked into that depending on the player. You could convince me that a Drew Thorpe type is a good return for Robert right now, while I didn't like that return for Cease.

However, the idea that Reinsdorf needs to move the contract off the books when basically they have the 2nd lowest payroll in baseball is nuts. That's not any sort of mandatory decision either. That's either them needing the money for something not baseball related, like a moving company, or Reinsdorf really, really, really wanting a big takehome payday.

On 12/18/2024 at 6:41 AM, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Baty + Acuna for Robert. Who says no?

And sadly, we could only dream of this type of return for Robert now…

4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If the White Sox aren't able to get a star for him but are able to get something, I could be talked into that depending on the player. You could convince me that a Drew Thorpe type is a good return for Robert right now, while I didn't like that return for Cease.

However, the idea that Reinsdorf needs to move the contract off the books when basically they have the 2nd lowest payroll in baseball is nuts. That's not any sort of mandatory decision either. That's either them needing the money for something not baseball related, like a moving company, or Reinsdorf really, really, really wanting a big takehome payday.

Until they prove to me the finances aren’t bad, I will still believe the franchise is in a horrible financial state.  

5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If the White Sox aren't able to get a star for him but are able to get something, I could be talked into that depending on the player. You could convince me that a Drew Thorpe type is a good return for Robert right now, while I didn't like that return for Cease.

However, the idea that Reinsdorf needs to move the contract off the books when basically they have the 2nd lowest payroll in baseball is nuts. That's not any sort of mandatory decision either. That's either them needing the money for something not baseball related, like a moving company, or Reinsdorf really, really, really wanting a big takehome payday.

Or board pressure to recoup part of their operating losses since 2019…

6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Or board pressure to recoup part of their operating losses since 2019…

Based on the Forbes numbers, the franchise value should have increased by $450 million since 2019, basically a return of 30%. If specific board members are expecting improved investment returns, the simple answer is to sell their investment. 

42 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Remember when you argued ad nauseam last month about how terrific Robert’s contract was and all the value it had? Lol

I do, and I still stand by it.  Just because the Sox and Reds are cheap, doesn't change Roberts value on the open market.

9 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Or board pressure to recoup part of their operating losses since 2019…

This may be the real reason....JR under pressure from other partners to turn a huge profit this year regardless of gate receipts but again....we're gonna do that no matter what. Even if we pay all of Robert's salary this year whether he is on our team or not, the payroll is still abysmally low and we should still generate a massive profit for the other partners and board members.

If we were talking about the difference between 50m and 125m, I could see why the other partners would pressure Jerry. We're talking about the difference between 50m and 65m.

There is no way in hell no matter whatbthe attendance is and no matter what the local TV revenue is that they are going to make anything less than a huge killing even with a mid 60s payroll.

6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Based on the Forbes numbers, the franchise value should have increased by $450 million since 2019, basically a return of 30%. If specific board members are expecting improved investment returns, the simple answer is to sell their investment. 

That’s not how it works. If the board decides they need to push payroll low enough to ensure positive cash flow from operations this year then that’s what they’re going to do. 

8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I do, and I still stand by it.  Just because the Sox and Reds are cheap, doesn't change Roberts value on the open market.

Uh huh

9 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:

This may be the real reason....JR under pressure from other partners to turn a huge profit this year regardless of gate receipts but again....we're gonna do that no matter what. Even if we pay all of Robert's salary this year whether he is on our team or not, the payroll is still abysmally low and we should still generate a massive profit for the other partners and board members.

If we were talking about the difference between 50m and 125m, I could see why the other partners would pressure Jerry. We're talking about the difference between 50m and 65m.

There is no way in hell no matter whatbthe attendance is and no matter what the local TV revenue is that they are going to make anything less than a huge killing even with a mid 60s payroll.

They reportedly lost $28M in 2023 with a payroll about $100M more expensive than where they’re at right now. So if everything else remained the same outside of payroll they would stand to make ~$70M in 2025.

BUT…they also lowered ticket prices this season, attendance will be down significantly compared to 2023, fixed costs presumably have increased slightly since then due to inflation, and presumably the tv revenue is down significantly since 2023. So, yea, I don’t know if a “huge” profit is a sure thing even with a payroll in the mid 60s.

8 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

They reportedly lost $28M in 2023 with a payroll about $100M more expensive than where they’re at right now. So if everything else remained the same outside of payroll they would stand to make ~$70M in 2025.

BUT…they also lowered ticket prices this season, attendance will be down significantly compared to 2023, fixed costs presumably have increased slightly since then due to inflation, and presumably the tv revenue is down significantly since 2023. So, yea, I don’t know if a “huge” profit is a sure thing even with a payroll in the mid 60s.

SELL THE TEAM!

15 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

They reportedly lost $28M in 2023 with a payroll about $100M more expensive than where they’re at right now. So if everything else remained the same outside of payroll they would stand to make ~$70M in 2025.

BUT…they also lowered ticket prices this season, attendance will be down significantly compared to 2023, fixed costs presumably have increased slightly since then due to inflation, and presumably the tv revenue is down significantly since 2023. So, yea, I don’t know if a “huge” profit is a sure thing even with a payroll in the mid 60s.

Of course the other side of the coin is that the White Sox wounds are entirely self-inflicted.

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Of course the other side of the coin is that the White Sox wounds are entirely self-inflicted.

Never said they weren’t. Just listing the numbers in play and why a huge profit isn’t guaranteed even with a crazy low payroll #.

9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Of course the other side of the coin is that the White Sox wounds are entirely self-inflicted.

And that changes the current situation how? Placing blame does nothing to help the team.

You can kick, scream and yell about what they've done or didn't do. This changes nothing about what tye best path to success is going forward.

Blame who you want, then figure out how to go forward to improve the team.

Posting my favorite paraphrased quote again.

Those who live in the past suffer depression.

Those who live in the future suffer anxiety.

Only those who love in the present are truly in the right frame of mind.

9 minutes ago, ptatc said:

And that changes the current situation how? Placing blame does nothing to help the team.

You can kick, scream and yell about what they've done or didn't do. This changes nothing about what tye best path to success is going forward.

Blame who you want, then figure out how to go forward to improve the team.

Posting my favorite paraphrased quote again.

Those who live in the past suffer depression.

Those who live in the future suffer anxiety.

Only those who love in the present are truly in the right frame of mind.

I will quote my favorite phrase... those who don't learn from their history are doomed to repeat it.  But sure, let's pretend this never happened and everything is fine.

44 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

That’s not how it works. If the board decides they need to push payroll low enough to ensure positive cash flow from operations this year then that’s what they’re going to do. 

That's also not how it works. The board might be able to complain, but they cannot force that to happen. The only person who can decide that, per everything we understand about the rules of the White Sox ownership, is Jerry Reinsdorf.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/01/white-sox-trade-rumors-luis-robert-reds-edwin-arroyo-giants.html

Full article is really quite interesting, especially the thinking White Sox would as of today kick in $5-6 million to Cincy...might have been posted earlier.

Really big concerns now about Arroyo bathing up short...