WhiteSox2023 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: They have other bodies to play and see what they have in them. And these veteran signings getting playing time over the Sox own young players (even if they all completely flop) is not going to be a difference maker in the season. It will be a losing season regardless. Which is why it would make more sense just to give the at bats to the young players. It’s like Getz is trying to continuously build a bad team full of mediocre veterans rather than just giving his own prospects a shot. The results will be a losing season either way so what is the point? Edited February 12 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said: They needed bodies but don’t have any money to spend. This is what happens. A bunch of low upside garbage. And as I've stated here many times for all these signings, I'd rather just play the fringe young guys. If you're not going to see what you have with those types coming off a 121 loss season, while almost certainly staring at another well into triple digit loss total, may as well try to find out who can help you in the future. None of these garbage heap vet signings will help the Sox in the future, and even if they play amazing, you're getting trash in return. It's a terrible strategy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 9 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: And as I've stated here many times for all these signings, I'd rather just play the fringe young guys. If you're not going to see what you have with those types coming off a 121 loss season, while almost certainly staring at another well into triple digit loss total, may as well try to find out who can help you in the future. None of these garbage heap vet signings will help the Sox in the future, and even if they play amazing, you're getting trash in return. It's a terrible strategy. I’d like to see anyone try to refute your point here and try to justify what Getz is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 17 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’d like to see anyone try to refute your point here and try to justify what Getz is doing. "Winning that day's game is more important than development at the major league level..." Or avoiding more embarrassing historic loss totals that draw too much national media attention. Edited February 12 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 3 hours ago, Balta1701 said: So if Robert isn't traded, and this is a major league deal, The bench would look like: Taylor Backup Catcher RF Platoon (Whoever is not in lineup that day) Either they're going to go a pitcher short, or that would leave 2 backup outfielders and 1 backup infielder for any average given day. ? Teams can only carry 13 pitchers, so not sure what you mean by a pitcher light. The Sox will almost certainly have a four man bench and eight man bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: I absolutely loathe the Sox offseason. It makes no fucking sense. This only makes sense if you’re trading Robert. I’d assume that’s far more likely than we were assuming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: ? Teams can only carry 13 pitchers, so not sure what you mean by a pitcher light. The Sox will almost certainly have a four man bench and eight man bullpen. Has to be Rojas Baldwin Amaya at that spot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: And he sucked last year after a good 2022 and 2023. He is turning 34 next month. Time changes everything. But I guess this shows us what Getz thinks about Fletcher and Colas. And since you kept ripping adding Taylor last offseason, shouldn’t you think this is a pointless/stupid move again this offseason? Getz signings Tauchman & Slater showed us what he thought about Fletcher & Colas. This 100% has to do with Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 34 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: They have other bodies to play and see what they have in them. I don’t really agree when it comes to the OF. Fletcher & Colas don’t appear to be major league bats and DeLoach has already been DFAed. The only young option for the OF is probably Baldwin and he’s likely needed at SS to start the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I’m going to wait to see what they trade Robert for before commenting on this move. If they give him away like Jerry’s accountant Harold suggests, then I will rip this move to shreds. If they can actually return value for Luis, then this makes some sense since we lack legit OF prospects in the upper minors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I don’t really agree when it comes to the OF. Fletcher & Colas don’t appear to be major league bats and DeLoach has already been DFAed. The only young option for the OF is probably Baldwin and he’s likely needed at SS to start the season. In all fairness, this is probably true of most of the current 26 man roster. Hoping to squeeze the tiniest big of value out of washed up vets is such a White Sox thing, but I have no idea what it is supposed to accomplish. They are going to suck either way, why keep recycling old and bad players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m going to wait to see what they trade Robert for before commenting on this move. If they give him away like Jerry’s accountant Harold suggests, then I will rip this move to shreds. If they can actually return value for Luis, then this makes some sense since we lack legit OF prospects in the upper minors. Every year ... at least the past couple, there have been rumors about "cash crunches" with the team...you really start to wonder if after paying out $29 million to Moncada, if they simply are more interested in saving money from the 2025 payroll compared to the seemingly more important overall goal of improving the team's supply of young positional talent. Obviously the majority of the board is at the point where taking the risk of rolling him out there for the first 2-3 months and things breaking the Sox way on his level of play is the better "opportunity cost" decision than taking prospects that are of the Colas/Ramos fringe Top 100 level and SAVING the remaining money on his contract. Like that Arroyo kid on the Reds that more likely than not will never be a solid or even average major league hitter while playing a "plus" SS defensively...who is coming off an injury-filled/disappointing year like N.Marte for CINCY. The typical "buy low" guy like Vargas, prospect but no longer shining so brightly. Edited February 12 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 14 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: In all fairness, this is probably true of most of the current 26 man roster. Hoping to squeeze the tiniest big of value out of washed up vets is such a White Sox thing, but I have no idea what it is supposed to accomplish. They are going to suck either way, why keep recycling old and bad players? I fully agree trying to squeeze value out of washed out vets doesn’t make sense. But Fletcher & Colas have done nothing to warrant playing time in the majors, so I can understand the Tauchman & Slater additions. I personally don’t see the need for Rojas and made that clear in that thread. I also worry about the Drury signing if they plan to put him on the major league roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: And as I've stated here many times for all these signings, I'd rather just play the fringe young guys. If you're not going to see what you have with those types coming off a 121 loss season, while almost certainly staring at another well into triple digit loss total, may as well try to find out who can help you in the future. None of these garbage heap vet signings will help the Sox in the future, and even if they play amazing, you're getting trash in return. It's a terrible strategy. I don’t disagree. I’d rather see the Colas and DeLoach’s of the world get auditions than waste at-bats on Michael A. Taylor and Austin Slater. I think last year was so bad that Getz is almost overcorrecting too much from a depth standpoint on the position player side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 11 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said: I don’t disagree. I’d rather see the Colas and DeLoach’s of the world get auditions than waste at-bats on Michael A. Taylor and Austin Slater. I think last year was so bad that Getz is almost overcorrecting too much from a depth standpoint on the position player side. These guys weren’t even league average when playing half their games at Charlotte last year. I’m all for giving the young guys a chance, but Colas appears to be a bust and Fletcher & DeLoach appear to be massive pro scouting misses for us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: These guys weren’t even league average when playing half their games at Charlotte last year. I’m all for giving the young guys a chance, but Colas appears to be a bust and Fletcher & DeLoach appear to be massive pro scouting misses for us. It would be one thing if they were bringing in veterans with actual upside as trade chips. But realistically, if a guy like Slater or Tauchman has a strong first half, what are they even going to get for them? Lotto tickets in Low A? These fringe guys like Colas, Fletcher, and DeLoach likely won’t amount to anything but this should be the year where they evaluate all these internal options. By the end of the season, they need to figure out who could be part of the future and who isn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Also, gun to head, I will say Robert will not be on our opening day roster. And my real concern is we are going to sell him for pennies on the dollar. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 The Chicago media should just ignore White Sox spring training or make the White Sox pay for coverage of spring training. There's not one player I want to read about or hear speak. If the White Sox insist on throwing this product in front of their fans, the media should just treat the White Sox like a minor league team, i.e. absolutely no coverage. Michael Taylor? Cmon. There should be absolutely zero interest in this roster. Are they actually gonna sell out opening day? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Regardless of what the Sox say publicly, this move screams a Robert trade, especially with it being a guaranteed contract. If Robert does get traded, and Taylor is our starting CF, it will be fine defensively, but offensively...yikes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 9 hours ago, fathom said: Who would they target? I agree they seem like the most likely trade partner, as they can afford him. They can afford him and they can really use him. I'm not sure. They're not getting Tibbs. I would love to see them get Dakota Jordan but they seem to be focusing on more contact oriented hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 27 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They can afford him and they can really use him. I'm not sure. They're not getting Tibbs. I would love to see them get Dakota Jordan but they seem to be focusing on more contact oriented hitters. I think the Giants are just a terrible match prospect wise though for the White Sox unfortunately 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 28 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They can afford him and they can really use him. I'm not sure. They're not getting Tibbs. I would love to see them get Dakota Jordan but they seem to be focusing on more contact oriented hitters. If you can't even get Tibbs for Robert, why the hell would you trade him? Tibbs is a a bat-first player who may have to move to 1b who did not hit in his pro debut. Jordan scares the bejeezus out of me. There's not a lot in that system that I'd want. I'd take Josuar Gonzalez, but that's about it. There is almost no upside there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 12 minutes ago, Timmy U said: If you can't even get Tibbs for Robert, why the hell would you trade him? Tibbs is a a bat-first player who may have to move to 1b who did not hit in his pro debut. Jordan scares the bejeezus out of me. There's not a lot in that system that I'd want. I'd take Josuar Gonzalez, but that's about it. There is almost no upside there. You trade him because your afraid of him getting hurt again and he brings you nothing like Moncada. The Giants have some interesting pitchers and lets face it it's not like the league is knocking down the Sox door saying "take all of our best prospects!!!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Has Getz given up on Fletcher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 11 hours ago, fathom said: Sure it does, they have no idea what they’re doing. When you view it through the lens that the entire organization is clueless…it makes sense They are rebuilding, but are also trying to not be the most embarassing team in MLB history again. They are trying to have a foot into both worlds. The absolutely blew it again last year, and don't want that mess again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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