nrockway Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Bump…will go into 2026 season as Opening Day starter I don't think you can say that. Crochet and Burke were both "surprises". He's probably the favorite but there should be plenty of competition in Spring Training. Although it strikes me as odd to bump this thread at this specific time lol, his last outing was pretty bad and it was 4 days ago. My pick for opening day starter is Mason Adams...cuz why not. Maybe. I'll look cool if it's correct. Edited September 10 by nrockway 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 1 hour ago, nrockway said: I don't think you can say that. Crochet and Burke were both "surprises". He's probably the favorite but there should be plenty of competition in Spring Training. Although it strikes me as odd to bump this thread at this specific time lol, his last outing was pretty bad and it was 4 days ago. My pick for opening day starter is Mason Adams...cuz why not. Maybe. I'll look cool if it's correct. 2.67 era across six starts in August. Got the win against Tigers last time out…one of the two best AL teams which you overlooked in describing it as “pretty bad.” Wins are kind of a good thing when you’re scratching and clawing to avoid the Rockies’ streak of three consecutive 100 loss seasons. Crochet was a first rounder, the only question was his durability as a starter off all those injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 23 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: 2.67 era across six starts in August. Got the win against Tigers last time out…one of the two best AL teams which you overlooked in describing it as “pretty bad.” Wins are kind of a good thing when you’re scratching and clawing to avoid the Rockies’ streak of three consecutive 100 loss seasons. Crochet was a first rounder, the only question was his durability as a starter off all those injuries. I don't wanna s%*# talk Shane, but he was worse than Davis Martin in that series. He got the W because Flaherty is done-zo and wins are a good thing when the offense scores 7 runs, not when your starting pitcher produces a 7.20 ERA. 7.20 is not a good ERA. The crux of this post is...why now? It's about to be his turn in the rotation again, this post would've made more sense two weeks ago. Bumping this thread against the Devil Rays when YoeYoe Gomez is starting is...a curious choice. Shane might be the OD starter but there are many prospectively 'better' SPs in the organization that could start next year. I'm keeping my 0 dollar bet on Mason Adams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 1 hour ago, nrockway said: I don't wanna s%*# talk Shane, but he was worse than Davis Martin in that series. He got the W because Flaherty is done-zo and wins are a good thing when the offense scores 7 runs, not when your starting pitcher produces a 7.20 ERA. 7.20 is not a good ERA. The crux of this post is...why now? It's about to be his turn in the rotation again, this post would've made more sense two weeks ago. Bumping this thread against the Devil Rays when YoeYoe Gomez is starting is...a curious choice. Shane might be the OD starter but there are many prospectively 'better' SPs in the organization that could start next year. I'm keeping my 0 dollar bet on Mason Adams. Adams is coming off TJ, I highly doubt that kid will be ready. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 18 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Adams is coming off TJ, I highly doubt that kid will be ready. Might as well argue Shane Murphy. Adams had rather pedestrian stuff even before the TJS. And he's unlikely to pitch until May/June anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 1 hour ago, nrockway said: I don't wanna s%*# talk Shane, but he was worse than Davis Martin in that series. He got the W because Flaherty is done-zo and wins are a good thing when the offense scores 7 runs, not when your starting pitcher produces a 7.20 ERA. 7.20 is not a good ERA. The crux of this post is...why now? It's about to be his turn in the rotation again, this post would've made more sense two weeks ago. Bumping this thread against the Devil Rays when YoeYoe Gomez is starting is...a curious choice. Shane might be the OD starter but there are many prospectively 'better' SPs in the organization that could start next year. I'm keeping my 0 dollar bet on Mason Adams. The only two are Schultz and Smith...unless they put Taylor back in the rotation. Unless they dominate the AFL...even then the Sox won't be willing to give up that extra year of control anyway. Which leaves either McDougal or Oppor. I'll gladly take those odds...barring a shock FA signing of over $10 million guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 5 hours ago, caulfield12 said: The only two are Schultz and Smith...unless they put Taylor back in the rotation. Unless they dominate the AFL...even then the Sox won't be willing to give up that extra year of control anyway. Which leaves either McDougal or Oppor. I'll gladly take those odds...barring a shock FA signing of over $10 million guaranteed. Why are they the only two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 18 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Why are they the only two? "but there are many prospectively 'better' SPs in the organization that could start next year" MANY have better arms than Shane Smith? Other than the two lefties, Taylor (who hasn't exactly dominated in relief), McDougal and Oppor, who could we possibly be talking about as OD 2026 starter??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 (edited) 28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: "but there are many prospectively 'better' SPs in the organization that could start next year" MANY have better arms than Shane Smith? Other than the two lefties, Taylor (who hasn't exactly dominated in relief), McDougal and Oppor, who could we possibly be talking about as OD 2026 starter??? key word is 'prospective' right? the actual key here is why are you bumping this thread lol re: Adams. Crochet "wasn't ready" either. I'm just throwing a name out there. I'm also agreeing with you that Shane is probably the guy. Edited September 10 by nrockway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 36 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: "but there are many prospectively 'better' SPs in the organization that could start next year" MANY have better arms than Shane Smith? Other than the two lefties, Taylor (who hasn't exactly dominated in relief), McDougal and Oppor, who could we possibly be talking about as OD 2026 starter??? Nrockway is correct in that we don’t know right now. Your speculation making those two the “only” two is strange given that both of them struggled this season. Do I think someone else is gonna be the guy other than Smith? No, I don’t, I just don’t get why those two in your mind are the only ones possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 9 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Nrockway is correct in that we don’t know right now. Your speculation making those two the “only” two is strange given that both of them struggled this season. Do I think someone else is gonna be the guy other than Smith? No, I don’t, I just don’t get why those two in your mind are the only ones possible I remember before this season, I thought that they should stink again this year but at the end of the season we might see a glimpse of a young, exciting starting rotation. Boy was I wrong....again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 (edited) Who is the #3 milb Sox pitching prospect right now? McDougal or Oppor? And who comes next after those two…? Probably no consensus, 3-5 names will arise. Edited September 10 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Who is the #3 milb Sox pitching prospect right now? McDougal or Oppor? And who comes next after those two…? Probably no consensus, 3-5 names will arise. Ok what happens if something clicks with Cannon next year and going through spring training, it is undeniable that he is the best pitcher on the squad at that time? Is it probable? No. But sometimes pitchers with sinker stuff like he has just find themselves after a few years. There are so many variables for the Sox, and looking at the Sox top 5 organizational arms and saying “these are the only guys who can possibly be the next guys” completely discounts a possibility like a Shane Smith coming in via rule 5 and proving his worth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 15 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Ok what happens if something clicks with Cannon next year and going through spring training, it is undeniable that he is the best pitcher on the squad at that time? Is it probable? No. But sometimes pitchers with sinker stuff like he has just find themselves after a few years. There are so many variables for the Sox, and looking at the Sox top 5 organizational arms and saying “these are the only guys who can possibly be the next guys” completely discounts a possibility like a Shane Smith coming in via rule 5 and proving his worth. It's almost like when I said there was a 100% chance that some of these guys would fail, I was right. Anyway, just like this season, guys are going to break out, while others flop. I know I would have laughed at the idea that McDougal might have had the best season for a SP at a higher level going into the season. You can make educated guesses, but baseball is baseball for a reason. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: It's almost like when I said there was a 100% chance that some of these guys would fail, I was right. Anyway, just like this season, guys are going to break out, while others flop. I know I would have laughed at the idea that McDougal might have had the best season for a SP at a higher level going into the season. You can make educated guesses, but baseball is baseball for a reason. You just "smooth" the data. It's like when people say "oh you know guys out of the top 100 always pop up as legit talents" -- well yea, but it's not as LIKELY and that's the point. You have to have a critical mass of prospects as individuals will always fail no matter how talented they were at prior levels. The Sox have pretty good depth in the farm overall imo but it's not on the pitching side at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 5 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: You just "smooth" the data. It's like when people say "oh you know guys out of the top 100 always pop up as legit talents" -- well yea, but it's not as LIKELY and that's the point. You have to have a critical mass of prospects as individuals will always fail no matter how talented they were at prior levels. The Sox have pretty good depth in the farm overall imo but it's not on the pitching side at the moment. Yeah, I mean probabilities do exist for a reason, but nothing is absolute. It's a futile exercise in counting your chickens before they hatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 I'm going with Framber Valdez as Opening Day starter in 2026. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 37 minutes ago, sin city sox fan said: I'm going with Framber Valdez as Opening Day starter in 2026. Haha...not willingly after allHouston winning years in Houston. Plus they may be without Garcia now into next season. There's also something to be said for starting your White Sox "All-Star" Shane Smith on OD versus anyone else reasonably within sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 (edited) Idk if I really want them punting draft picks yet, unless you're signing Kyle Tucker. What kind of deal is Bieber looking at? Merrill Kelly is probably looking at a 2-year deal, tops. Edited September 10 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 4 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Idk if I really want them punting draft picks yet, unless you're signing Kyle Tucker. What kind of deal is Bieber looking at? Merrill Kelly is probably looking at a 2-year deal, tops. If Bieber proves he's healthy and at least at 92-93, it's going to be a much bigger number than anyone thinks...especially if he does well in the post season. A lot of teams will hesitate on Michael King and Dylan Cease at the top of that FA pitching class. Cease is too similar to Snell and had a lot of innings/bitches since his TJS. King has been hurt but has the 5th or 6th best starting pitcher's ERA over the last two seasons...at just right under 3.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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