Crochet speaks...

[JoeC]

22 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

You do everyone in the Sox organization a great disservice if you are trying to say Crochet alone is responsible for his success.

I'd like to recommend all people interested in the process of developing Crochet in the off season leading up to his breakout as a starting pitcher in 2024 go here 

I'd recommend listening to the whole thing but they don't get into talking about Crochet until the podcast is half over.

Just listening to Bannister talk about elite training year round for pitchers, Trajeckt Machines, Tommy John surgery etc. is a must for anyone who wants to really know how developing Crochet was a true team effort.

There is also so much more out there from Crochet too crediting the people in the organization . Might be an interview with Crochet too somewhere in the Baseball Isn't Boring Podcast episodes.

I think anyone interested in being fair has to acknowledge the Sox had a strong role in getting Crochet to where he is right now.

This is a great post, and it actually does give me hope that Getz's personnel decisions have merit.

The cynical side of me thinks that this, coupled with Crochet's comments about his experience in arriving to the Red Sox, paint a picture of the Sox as a high-end minor league team that develops guys until they're ready to get the full big league experience in a place like Boston.

[kitekrazy]

We like to add words that were never spoken by a player.It's what media does to get attention.

Any young player that leaves has no sentiment since there are so many changes in roster and coaching.

[hi8is]

7 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Ha!  I don’t know if I ever would use that list even if i wasn’t an admin.  how else would I know that tray is calling someone a liar about where they live because he doesn’t like their opinions on the Sox? Can’t find that kind of entertainment everywhere, and then as an added bonus we get his thoughts on billionaires so honestly what’s the hall of fame list even for 

It’s a good filter for garbage. I should be on it for many users. 😆

[vilehoopster]

4 hours ago, Tony said:

And he would have still ended the game going 7.1 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 BB and 11 K's. 

Crochet will be in contention for AL Cy Young this season, and the White Sox have the fewest wins in the American League. 

So I ask...

1. My point is that the White Sox were better than Boston over this weekend.  So how about, oh, I don't know . . . . . ., actually enjoying that it happened. 

2. Shane Smith should have left the game giving up one less run than Crochet. And also, that as Crochet contends for that Cy Young, there might be some of those votes going to a young, former Rule 5 pick, from Chicago. 

 

[vilehoopster]

4 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

So your flex is that the worst team in baseball didn't hit, and committed a key error to lose a game they didn't have to lose and that is supposed to be some sort of in your face moment?  Dude that is literally the reason everyone is so pissed off.  People have been watching exactly that on the field for years and are sick of it.  I think you finally discovered the point.

So your point is that you're sick of seeing a young,  inexperienced player not make a play, after you have continually complained about the Sox playing older players who have no upside and we need to be playing younger players from the system.

I get it now: you're pissed off that you got what you wanted, but it this case it didn't work out, so you're sick of it. Okay, I see it now. 

[southsider2k5]

8 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

So your point is that you're sick of seeing a young,  inexperienced player not make a play, after you have continually complained about the Sox playing older players who have no upside and we need to be playing younger players from the system.

I get it now: you're pissed off that you got what you wanted, but it this case it didn't work out, so you're sick of it. Okay, I see it now. 

I have no idea what you are going on about now if you are trying to take a victory lap over the Sox blowing a game just like they have blown an untold number of games over the last couple of years in similar fashion, but somehow that is a victory because it was the kid we were playing out of position because we haven't developed an internal OF in something over a decade?  Sure.  Yes, I am definitely sick of it.

[caulfield12]

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I have no idea what you are going on about now if you are trying to take a victory lap over the Sox blowing a game just like they have blown an untold number of games over the last couple of years in similar fashion, but somehow that is a victory because it was the kid we were playing out of position because we haven't developed an internal OF in something over a decade?  Sure.  Yes, I am definitely sick of it.

Who was that, even?

Aaron Rowand? Chris Young?

(To argue Eloy or Robert beggars belief.)

Based on his hot start this year, it might actually be Alex Call.

[mmmmmbeeer]

On 4/11/2025 at 11:55 PM, nrockway said:

it just seems petty and disrespectful. Fenway Sports Group is arguably as incompetent as JR (although Liverpool looks great), does Crochet know that?

 

he's saying a nice thing about the team that just made him one of the richest men to ever exist, but I don't know why they always have to talk trash.

I can't remember who it was, but one of the big baseball reporters wrote a longform piece on the White Sox and how shitty of an owner JR is.  Within that article were many examples of extreme cheapness reaching waaayyy beyond just payroll.  I can't remember examples, but just cutting corners on just stupid s%*# that every other team in the league takes care of for their players.  

[southsider2k5]

14 minutes ago, mmmmmbeeer said:

I can't remember who it was, but one of the big baseball reporters wrote a longform piece on the White Sox and how shitty of an owner JR is.  Within that article were many examples of extreme cheapness reaching waaayyy beyond just payroll.  I can't remember examples, but just cutting corners on just stupid s%*# that every other team in the league takes care of for their players.  

And the players, especially the ones who see how things run on a day to day basis, are the ones that see it first hand.  Even a player who was here last year after all of these major changes were made last year was saying how much better a place like Boston is being run.  It is easy to hand wave away fans thoughts, but when players and front office peers see it, it is harder to discount those thoughts.

[greg775]

On 4/12/2025 at 9:55 AM, Snopek said:

🙋‍♂️ I don’t mind it. They deserve it.

When you lose as long as the Sox have lost and your owner has made it clear you are suckers as fans and you can either root for this crap product or take a hike, you get jaded and don't mind criticism of the wretched team/organization. Jerry hasn't apologized once, has he, for this crud?

[Lip Man 1]

1 hour ago, mmmmmbeeer said:

I can't remember who it was, but one of the big baseball reporters wrote a longform piece on the White Sox and how shitty of an owner JR is.  Within that article were many examples of extreme cheapness reaching waaayyy beyond just payroll.  I can't remember examples, but just cutting corners on just stupid s%*# that every other team in the league takes care of for their players.  

It was a long form story in the Athletic dated last September 19 by Brittany Ghiroli and ken Rosenthal.

The headline was:

"An owner who 'thinks he knows everything' led the White Sox to historic disaster" 

[Tomtom]

On 4/12/2025 at 9:19 AM, Bob Sacamano said:

Wait, so you’re saying it’s better to have Crochet for 2 years than possible (emphasis on possible) multiple good players for 6+?

I would if Getz can actually get good players in return.  As it is, he gets taken to the cleaners by every GM he does business with. The problem now is they have no one on their roster that another team wants.

[WestEddy]

On 4/15/2025 at 3:29 PM, caulfield12 said:

Who was that, even?

Aaron Rowand? Chris Young?

(To argue Eloy or Robert beggars belief.)

Based on his hot start this year, it might actually be Alex Call.

Yes, if you eliminate all of the players who were successfully developed, it is a true statement to say we haven't developed anybody. LMAO

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Yes, if you eliminate all of the players who were successfully developed, it is a true statement to say we haven't developed anybody. LMAO

The true sign is succeeding with guys outside the first round...and we don't even do that well (first rounders).

Robert and Jimenez were two of the most highly sought after Latin American talents in the past decade...hard to say even those were clear wins right now with how their careers have turned out.

[WestEddy]

11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

The true sign is succeeding with guys outside the first round...and we don't even do that well (first rounders).

Robert and Jimenez were two of the most highly sought after Latin American talents in the past decade...hard to say even those were clear wins right now with how their careers have turned out.

No, it's very easy to say that Robert and Jimenez were clear wins, because it's true. Injuries don't erase the history of them being developed. That's silliness. 

[WhiteSox2023]

12 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

No, it's very easy to say that Robert and Jimenez were clear wins, because it's true. Injuries don't erase the history of them being developed. That's silliness. 

You can’t just presume that injuries are why they both stink now.  Eloy is only 28 and in AAA and Robert is 27 and stinking it up.  Are they both truly clear wins on being developed?  Their careers look like they are winding down and they both should be in their primes.

Edited April 18 by WhiteSox2023

[Snopek]

21 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You can’t just presume that injuries are why they both stink now.  Eloy is only 28 and in AAA and Robert is 27 and stinking it up.  Are they both truly clear wins on being developed?  Their careers look like they are winding down and they both should be in their primes.

I wouldn't say they're clear wins, but once a player has a good season in the majors (which Eloy and Robert both have had) and then regress, I think it starts to become more about injuries and/or the coachability of the specific player rather than a development failure.

[WestEddy]

38 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You can’t just presume that injuries are why they both stink now.  Eloy is only 28 and in AAA and Robert is 27 and stinking it up.  Are they both truly clear wins on being developed?  Their careers look like they are winding down and they both should be in their primes.

Yes, they're clear development wins. They don't become "undeveloped" because they got injured, or got old quick, or couldn't readjust to the league. 

Edited April 18 by WestEddy

[caulfield12]

11 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Yes, they're clear development wins. They don't become "undeveloped" because they got injured, or got old quick, or couldn't readjust to the league. 

So going from #8 in major league talent in 2020-21 to #29/30 four or five years later can be spun as some sort of developmental victory?

That's kind of like taking credit for Tatis' big league contributions when he never set foot on an MiLB field.

Well, at least you're not still arguing White Sox fans are better off than LA or SD fanbases due to irresponsible contracts...so that's small progress.

[WestEddy]

8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

So going from #8 in major league talent in 2020-21 to #29/30 four or five years later can be spun as some sort of developmental victory?

That's kind of like taking credit for Tatis' big league contributions when he never set foot on an MiLB field.

Well, at least you're not still arguing White Sox fans are better off than LA or SD fanbases due to irresponsible contracts...so that's small progress.

I really have no idea where you're going, here. Are you angry because I'm not joining you in pretending that the White Sox "failed" to develop a guy who played 3 full seasons in our minor league system, then put up 4 above-average major league seasons of production? 

Hostetler wasn't good at his job, or couldn't work within the confines provided, and Paddy wasn't very good at his job. They graduated their prospects, then had little to nothing behind them. Which of the voices in your head is spinning that? It's nothing like taking credit for Tatis, who never stepped foot in a White Sox minor league clubhouse. Tatis played 288 minor league games in the Padres' system, so again, I have no idea what you're talking about. 

This is a White Sox message board. There's really no reason to talk about the Padres or Dodgers. Pace yourself on your victory lap over that. 

[southsider2k5]

25 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

So going from #8 in major league talent in 2020-21 to #29/30 four or five years later can be spun as some sort of developmental victory?

That's kind of like taking credit for Tatis' big league contributions when he never set foot on an MiLB field.

Well, at least you're not still arguing White Sox fans are better off than LA or SD fanbases due to irresponsible contracts...so that's small progress.

Development is apparently over when you make your major league debut.

[caulfield12]

15 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I really have no idea where you're going, here. Are you angry because I'm not joining you in pretending that the White Sox "failed" to develop a guy who played 3 full seasons in our minor league system, then put up 4 above-average major league seasons of production? 

Hostetler wasn't good at his job, or couldn't work within the confines provided, and Paddy wasn't very good at his job. They graduated their prospects, then had little to nothing behind them. Which of the voices in your head is spinning that? It's nothing like taking credit for Tatis, who never stepped foot in a White Sox minor league clubhouse. Tatis played 288 minor league games in the Padres' system, so again, I have no idea what you're talking about. 

This is a White Sox message board. There's really no reason to talk about the Padres or Dodgers. Pace yourself on your victory lap over that. 

Because you spent the ENTIRE offseason crowing about all their "irresponsible" contracts and how the White Sox fans were actually better off than fans of the team with Top 1-2-3 record and attendance...when the White Sox are pretty much the antithesis of successful in any way, shape, or form.

Believe it or not, I can still follow all the other AL Central teams, fantasy baseball, the Cubs, Royals, Padres and Dodgers without impacting my White Sox fandom errrr "family curse" lol.

 

 

Edited April 18 by caulfield12

[WestEddy]

10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Because you spent the ENTIRE offseason crowing about all their "irresponsible" contracts and how the White Sox fans were actually better off than fans of the team with Top 1-2-3 record and attendance...when the White Sox are pretty much the antithesis of successful in any way, shape, or form.

Believe it or not, I can still follow all the other AL Central teams, fantasy baseball, the Cubs, Royals, Padres and Dodgers without impacting my White Sox random errrr "family curse" lol.

I trolled you for a few days, and you're still not over it. LOL. You are a walking tangent. I follow other teams, music, read up a lot on history, have a few TV shows going, and strangely enough, I don't make a string about a Crochet interview about Medieval Polish history. 

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

 

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

I trolled you for a few days, and you're still not over it. LOL. You are a walking tangent. I follow other teams, music, read up a lot on history, have a few TV shows going, and strangely enough, I don't make a string about a Crochet interview about Medieval Polish history. 

https://www.amazon.com/Latticework-Investing-Robert-G-Hagstrom/dp/1587990008
Maybe you SHOULD learn how to connect disparate topics…your investments and the White Sox would be much better off if you just do and think the opposite of whatever Chris Getz’s initial gut instinct is.

Nevertheless, despite your protestations that you hardly mentioned it all of twenty two times, I’m sure you will be bringing it up as soon as the Padres are in third or fourth in the toughest division in baseball…how they are doomed to baseball purgatory like Sox fans.  
 

At least the Washington Generals paid fans the common courtesy of being generally entertaining!!!

And SEC schools are hardly known for teaching accurate history (TN is Crochet’s alma mater).

[Tony]

On 4/15/2025 at 2:14 PM, vilehoopster said:

1. My point is that the White Sox were better than Boston over this weekend.  So how about, oh, I don't know . . . . . ., actually enjoying that it happened. 

2. Shane Smith should have left the game giving up one less run than Crochet. And also, that as Crochet contends for that Cy Young, there might be some of those votes going to a young, former Rule 5 pick, from Chicago. 

 

July 7th Update:

Crochet - 3.5 season WAR, good for 8th place for WAR for pitchers in 2025

Smith - 0.6 WAR, good for.....way down the list. 

Don't think Shane Smith will be stealing any votes going from Crochet.