May 6, 2025May 6 20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: [HeGetzUs has entered the chat] Is that what Braden and Teel are?
May 6, 2025May 6 1 hour ago, fathom said: Isn’t Hope a consensus top 25 guy now Maybe we can get him in 3 years. after his value drops. Schultz or Smith should get it done then.
May 6, 2025May 6 3 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: That’s fair but if I can get a steady, consistent player like Mullins for a couple 40/45 FV prospects vs the package noted above for Robert, I’m definitely going with Mullins. Unless, of course, Robert returns to 2023 form, which to me looks like the outlier not the norm at this point. Teams trade for ceilings at the deadline, not an avg performer, imo.
May 7, 2025May 7 You don't make the argument that Cedric Mullins is the last missing piece in the line-up to take down the Dodgers...
May 7, 2025May 7 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Teams trade for ceilings at the deadline, not an avg performer, imo. Depends. If the asking price is considerably lower for Mullins then more teams will be involved. Also worth noting that Mullins has achieved a higher single season WAR (6.0) than Robert ever has so I would say the ceilings for both is debatable.
May 7, 2025May 7 Just updated this week https://blogs.fangraphs.com/cincinnati-reds-top-45-prospects/
May 7, 2025May 7 1 hour ago, PolishPrince34 said: Just updated this week https://blogs.fangraphs.com/cincinnati-reds-top-45-prospects/ Arroyo + Collier + ??? = 👍
May 7, 2025May 7 3 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Depends. If the asking price is considerably lower for Mullins then more teams will be involved. Also worth noting that Mullins has achieved a higher single season WAR (6.0) than Robert ever has so I would say the ceilings for both is debatable. Mullins is turning 31 this year, versus Luis Robert being 27 and just entering his 3-4 prime years, THEORETICALLY. Plus, speed-based players almost always start to decline beginning in their early 30's post steroids.
May 7, 2025May 7 7 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Mullins is turning 31 this year, versus Luis Robert being 27 and just entering his 3-4 prime years, THEORETICALLY. Plus, speed-based players almost always start to decline beginning in their early 30's post steroids. Mullins isn’t exactly Juan Pierre. He’s hit more homers than Robert since the start of the 2024 season along with a higher wRC+ by a sizable margin.
May 7, 2025May 7 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Mullins isn’t exactly Juan Pierre. He’s hit more homers than Robert since the start of the 2024 season along with a higher wRC+ by a sizable margin. But when you include 2023 it evens out...doesn't it?
May 7, 2025May 7 12 hours ago, nrockway said: Arroyo + Collier + ??? = 👍 I wouldn’t want either, let alone both. I would take Sal Stewart, I guess. Rather trade with Dodgers for Hope.
May 7, 2025May 7 47 minutes ago, Timmy U said: I wouldn’t want either, let alone both. I would take Sal Stewart, I guess. Rather trade with Dodgers for Hope. Why on Earth would the Dodgers trade Hope for Robert?
May 7, 2025May 7 3 hours ago, caulfield12 said: But when you include 2023 it evens out...doesn't it? You said Mullins is a “speed-based player” implying that most of his value comes from his speed. He has the same number of career homers as Robert, albeit in more PAs because he’s been healthier, and a similar career wRC+. If Mullins is a speed-based player then I suppose Robert is too but I don’t consider either that. Their speed allows them to be solid defenders in CF but when I think of speed-based players I think of Juan Pierre or Scotty Pods.
May 8, 2025May 8 Although the 27-year-old is off to a slow start this season (5 HR, 16 RBIs, .642 OPS), he's tied for the MLB lead with 15 stolen bases, ranks among the league leaders in walks and has been solid defensively. “Even with a modest start, the underlying tools remain elite,” an AL executive said. “He offers a rare blend of power, speed, and center-field defense that could reshape a contender’s outfield.” Robert signed a six-year, $50 million extension with the White Sox in January 2020, a deal that is paying him $15 million this season and includes $20 million club options for 2026 and 2027. Robert’s salary is currently the second-highest on Chicago’s roster behind only Andrew Benintendi ($17.1 million this season and next, $15.1 million in 2027), and given the team’s rebuild, it seems logical that they would try to trade him. “He’s off to a slow start, but I still believe clubs will have interest,” an NL executive said. “The White Sox have to trade him at this point.” Did you like this story? Mark Feinsand, a senior national reporter, originally joined MLB.com as a reporter in 2001.
May 8, 2025May 8 12 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: You said Mullins is a “speed-based player” implying that most of his value comes from his speed. He has the same number of career homers as Robert, albeit in more PAs because he’s been healthier, and a similar career wRC+. If Mullins is a speed-based player then I suppose Robert is too but I don’t consider either that. Their speed allows them to be solid defenders in CF but when I think of speed-based players I think of Juan Pierre or Scotty Pods. Robert and Mullins BOTH have 93 career homers. Although there's a BIG difference in their ages, comparatively. Over a 600 game season, Mullins (going off career averages for both) would hit 22 homers and Robert 29. It has taken Cedric an extra 633 at-bats (one full season) to get to those power numbers. So I'll rephrase it to say that Mullins has always been MORE known for speed and strong defense than power. Robert has always been known for both SPEED and POWER. We'll see what Elias does...one rumor under consideration is Coby Mayo and Povich to MN for Joe Ryan. It's going to go until June/July before a decision is made. That gives the Robert market a head start, as everyone in the baseball world knows Getz wants to trade Luis.
May 8, 2025May 8 8 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Robert and Mullins BOTH have 93 career homers. Although there's a BIG difference in their ages, comparatively. Over a 600 game season, Mullins (going off career averages for both) would hit 22 homers and Robert 29. It has taken Cedric an extra 633 at-bats (one full season) to get to those power numbers. So I'll rephrase it to say that Mullins has always been MORE known for speed and strong defense than power. Robert has always been known for both SPEED and POWER. We'll see what Elias does...one rumor under consideration is Coby Mayo and Povich to MN for Joe Ryan. It's going to go until June/July before a decision is made. That gives the Robert market a head start, as everyone in the baseball world knows Getz wants to trade Luis. The interesting thing is Robert has only hit more than 14 homers in a season one time. I don’t know, the power surge in 2023 sure looks fluky to me when you look at his career numbers.
May 8, 2025May 8 Robert homers every 20.6 AB Mullins 27.4 To compare these two is like comparing Crochet and Martin Perez this past off-season you are not looking at the back of the baseball card.
May 8, 2025May 8 1 hour ago, Harry Chappas said: Robert homers every 20.6 AB Mullins 27.4 To compare these two is like comparing Crochet and Martin Perez this past off-season you are not looking at the back of the baseball card. I don’t consider either a “power” hitter. Pete Alonso (Homer every 13.9 AB) and Aaron Judge (Homer every 11.3 AB) are power hitters. At the end of the day, Mullins and Robert have been pretty much equal at the plate over their careers - 109 vs 114 career wRC+. Above average hitters but nothing special.
May 8, 2025May 8 4 hours ago, Harry Chappas said: Robert homers every 20.6 AB Mullins 27.4 To compare these two is like comparing Crochet and Martin Perez this past off-season you are not looking at the back of the baseball card. We aren’t dealing with a reasonable person unfortunately. Robert certainly has his flows, but if somebody feels power is one of them then they are an objective person.
May 8, 2025May 8 35 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: We aren’t dealing with a reasonable person unfortunately. Robert certainly has his flows, but if somebody feels power is one of them then they are an objective person. Are you disputing that the overall production from Mullins is much different than Robert over the course of their careers? As far as I can tell, both rate (objectively) very similarly across offense, defense, and base running. In fact, it’s probably hard to find an active CF that compares as closely to Robert as Mullins does. Neither is a “power” hitter unless your definition of power hitter is different than mine.
May 8, 2025May 8 3 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Are you disputing that the overall production from Mullins is much different than Robert over the course of their careers? As far as I can tell, both rate (objectively) very similarly across offense, defense, and base running. In fact, it’s probably hard to find an active CF that compares as closely to Robert as Mullins does. Neither is a “power” hitter unless your definition of power hitter is different than mine. I mean, Robert’s career .203 ISO would rank 40th overall amongst qualified hitters right now and his .278 ISO in 2023 would rank 14th this year. You may think his 2023 ISO is flukey, but we’re talking about a guy with 92% percentile bat speed and 97% percentile Max EV. The dude is a legit power hitter who just happens to play CF. His game power may not always be super elite, but let’s not pretend he’s not well above average overall.
May 8, 2025May 8 4 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Are you disputing that the overall production from Mullins is much different than Robert over the course of their careers? As far as I can tell, both rate (objectively) very similarly across offense, defense, and base running. In fact, it’s probably hard to find an active CF that compares as closely to Robert as Mullins does. Neither is a “power” hitter unless your definition of power hitter is different than mine. This just reads like how the Sox operate in free agency. Instead of the top rated guys, we try to squint and find the almost as good guy for cheaper.
May 8, 2025May 8 44 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This just reads like how the Sox operate in free agency. Instead of the top rated guys, we try to squint and find the almost as good guy for cheaper. Or hoping guys can make a big comeback who are coming off injury or are starting to age.
May 8, 2025May 8 45 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This just reads like how the Sox operate in free agency. Instead of the top rated guys, we try to squint and find the almost as good guy for cheaper. In middle school my friends were competing over whose dad's car was the most popular - the dad with the Honda Accord or the dad with the Toyota Camry. I tried convincing them that my dad's Oldsmobile Alero was just as good as their dads' cars. That's all we can hope to get. A middling sedan from a forgotten and now-defunct brand.
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