chitownsportsfan Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 8 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: There's a lot of BS in his statement. Of course there was a lot of BS in his reason to hire Getz. The real reasons probably were loyalty to JR and $. The entire statement is BS fluff. Filled with tautologies and meaningless claims. Getz has this year and next year to show he's any good, otherwise he should be fired and hopefully Ishbia is taking over in 2027 when it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 11 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: The entire statement is BS fluff. Filled with tautologies and meaningless claims. Getz has this year and next year to show he's any good, otherwise he should be fired and hopefully Ishbia is taking over in 2027 when it happens. Do you think that JR is going to allow anything significant to happen next year eith the strike/lockout coming in 2027? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Literally the only reason to hold on to him was if you thought you would be good again in his window. His window wasn't that much different than Cease's. Therefore, if one were to assume any kind of rational thought process on the part of Getz, the window would have been near the backend of his contract, which is incredibly stupid because whatever value you would extract at that point should be much less than a trade where you aren't wasting 3 or more years of surplus value on bad teams. Also, as I mentioned earlier, it is not only about windows; it is also about the player's worth at the time of the trade. Cease value was at an all-time low. Robert was at an all-time high. It is just stupid asset management. Which has been Getz MO since he's been hired. He trades guys when their value is at their lowest. People kill Hahn and he deserved to be fired but he actually did a good job trading guys and maximizing their returns. Getz has just been god awful and it isn't just Cease or Roberts. It's Kopech. Crochet is a guy we also gambled on and took a massive loss on. He'd be worth more at the deadline then when we moved him. Then you look at what we have gotten in return and they have been absolute disasters for the most part. Edited June 2 by wrathofhahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 40 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: There's a lot of BS in his statement. Of course there was a lot of BS in his reason to hire Getz. The real reasons probably were loyalty to JR and $. or a qualified GM says no way ever....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 6 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: Keeping him this season was an absolutely horrific decision. He should have been first on the block in November solely due to his health issues, but now we have terrible offense to lower the value even more Great point. Even if trading him after 2023 wasn’t realistic like @Y2Jimmy0 says, he should have definitely been traded during last offseason. Now, Robert’s value has dropped even lower. Does anything think the offers for Robert during last offseason were worse than they are going to be at the trade deadline? I believe the rumors were that Getz wanted at least two of a team’s top prospects for Robert, but teams were only offering one. Well, good luck even getting one now… Edited June 2 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Great point. Even if trading him after 2023 wasn’t realistic like @Y2Jimmy0 says, he should have definitely been traded during last offseason. Now, Robert’s value has dropped even lower. Does anything think the offers for Robert during last offseason were worse than they are going to be at the trade deadline? I believe the rumors were that Getz wanted at least two of a team’s top prospects for Robert, but teams were only offering one. Well, good luck even getting one now… Makes me wonder if he's older than advertised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 30 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Great point. Even if trading him after 2023 wasn’t realistic like @Y2Jimmy0 says, he should have definitely been traded during last offseason. Now, Robert’s value has dropped even lower. Does anything think the offers for Robert during last offseason were worse than they are going to be at the trade deadline? I believe the rumors were that Getz wanted at least two of a team’s top prospects for Robert, but teams were only offering one. Well, good luck even getting one now… I could see maybe getting one but not much else with him. Yeah, it would definitely be disappointing after a couple years of dreaming and believing what he could go for. It was a gamble on a bet that keeps on losing. Edited June 2 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 12 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I could see maybe getting one but not much else with him. Yeah, it would definitely be disappointing after a couple years of dreaming and believing what he could go for. It was a gamble on a bet that keeps on losing. Yeah, it was tough to trade him earlier due to health concerns and now due to lack of production. He wasnt going to get much of a return and probably still won't. He sure doesn't seem to be worth the 20 million option either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 I know this guy may not be credible but had to share for the weird phrasing on "contingent that the Mets also receive Lenyn Sosa. Like, contingent to who? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Great point. Even if trading him after 2023 wasn’t realistic like @Y2Jimmy0 says, he should have definitely been traded during last offseason. Now, Robert’s value has dropped even lower. Does anything think the offers for Robert during last offseason were worse than they are going to be at the trade deadline? I believe the rumors were that Getz wanted at least two of a team’s top prospects for Robert, but teams were only offering one. Well, good luck even getting one now… Get one? They’ll be lucky to find someone to simply take on his remaining salary, let alone get anything in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 19 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I know this guy may not be credible but had to share for the weird phrasing on "contingent that the Mets also receive Lenyn Sosa. Like, contingent to who? lol You would think the contingency of Sosa depended on the return being requested 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 19 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Get one? They’ll be lucky to find someone to simply take on his remaining salary, let alone get anything in return. Agreed, I think the offers during last offseason were one team’s high-end prospect like Arroyo from the Reds for example but Getz wanted more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 17 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: You would think the contingency of Sosa depended on the return being requested I read it as the Mets would take on Robert and his salary if the Sox included Sosa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Absolute bullshit rumor but I do it in a heartbeat if the package resembles anything you could call “decent.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, Dick Allen said: Makes me wonder if he's older than advertised. He wouldn't be leading mlb in steals if that was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champagne030 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I read it as the Mets would take on Robert and his salary if the Sox included Sosa. Knowing Getz and JR it's probably more like the Mets kick in $7.5M and we trade Robert & Sosa for Marte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 Guy looked like a hall of famer a few seasons ago, and now he's not even an MLB player. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 4 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Get one? They’ll be lucky to find someone to simply take on his remaining salary, let alone get anything in return. Someone will happily take on his salary…let’s get crazy here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 45 minutes ago, Paulie4Pres said: Guy looked like a hall of famer a few seasons ago, and now he's not even an MLB player. Guy got prematurely paid, can't stay healthy, he fails to make adjustments, and the league figured him out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 16 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Someone will happily take on his salary…let’s get crazy here. I really don’t think so anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I really don’t think so anymore. To be fair, when he gets dealt he’ll probably only have like $5M remaining on this year’s salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: To be fair, when he gets dealt he’ll probably only have like $5M remaining on this year’s salary. And a $2 million buyout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 17 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Guy got prematurely paid, can't stay healthy, he fails to make adjustments, and the league figured him out. I’ve thought this a million times: there’s something to giving kids who come from literally nothing millions of dollars before they’ve proven anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I’ve thought this a million times: there’s something to giving kids who come from literally nothing millions of dollars before they’ve proven anything. Agreed. Hahn got burned three times by this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjp1684 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 13 hours ago, hogan873 said: There will be teams interested in Robert for his speed and defense alone, but the return is going to pennies on the dollar compared to what the Sox could have gotten for him in the past. Even compared to what they could have received this past winter, the return will be pretty light. I don't know if he'll ever be the guy we thought he could have been, but I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with a contender and improves quite a bit. I have to believe it's a mental thing for him. I thought of the “Coop will fix him” line that we could bring in a struggling pitcher and get his ship righted. Perhaps the same happens with Robert, Jr. where a change of scenery helps with a rebound. He did not play well last year, and is essentially a poor hitting 0 WAR player this yea. Sure, he could rebound. But most places, he’d be on the bench or released with his performance. Here we seem to be hoping he will just play his way out of it. Maybe at 28 or 30, something clicks. He isn’t a young pup in a baseball sense though, and I can’t see him magically turning next year back to a 5-WAR level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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