caulfield12 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) https://thesportsdaily.com/news/chicago-white-sox-are-the-new-lovable-losers/ This article was written in the middle of the last rebuild...2017. Nats Astros Rangers all won the WS since then. White Sox have much less of a history of chokes...compared to Cubs in 1969, 2003/Steve Bartman, Brant Brown, etc. The Cubs have their "cute" mascot/cubbie bear hat and unis...opposite of the Sox black and white silver image that KW patterned after or at least likened to the Raiders. Harry Caray, WGN, Budweisers, "bleacher babes," the Curse of the Billy Goat...and Billy Williams Santo Jenkins Banks...identifiable HoF players. For the Sox..Luis Robert will leave town as the most famous, more star crossed than a star. And the 1919 Black Sox scandal...as well as the four way 1967 pennant race, but still not nearly the fame or infamy of the 1962 expansion Mets or 69 Cubs. The White Flag and cancelling the 1994 season doesn't quite rise to the Cubs and Red Sox historic standards anyway. It would require at least five consecutive years of 100+ losses...but we're already 60% of the way there. And JR still has his Bulls' championships and 2005 to cling to. Without 2005...the White Sox legitimately could have replaced the Cubs. But all things considered...the trade off for Sox fans probably wouldn't be worth it because they wouldn't even be able to figure out how to exploit losing, specifically, losing to historic proportions. Or the 2025 Rockies will quickly turn around and break the Sox 41-121 mark. Edited May 8 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 The White Sox were labeled Winning Ugly in 1983. These past 3 years the team has been Losing Ugly. There has been nothing lovable about this team the last 3 seasons. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 (edited) 12 minutes ago, WBWSF said: The White Sox were labeled Winning Ugly in 1983. These past 3 years the team has been Losing Ugly. There has been nothing lovable about this team the last 3 seasons. Not to mention that team was a whole lot of fun… https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dybzije01.shtml .234 584 ops 61 ops+ 3 homers in 909 career at bats but even he has a better WAR number than Andrew Vaughn… Heck,Ivan Calderon would be a god on this team in 2025 https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/caldeiv01.shtml Edited May 8 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 No. Just losers. There shouldn't be any glory surrounding being perpetual losers. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 They’d have to be lovable first. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Would rather not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 3 hours ago, caulfield12 said: https://thesportsdaily.com/news/chicago-white-sox-are-the-new-lovable-losers/ This article was written in the middle of the last rebuild...2017. Nats Astros Rangers all won the WS since then. White Sox have much less of a history of chokes...compared to Cubs in 1969, 2003/Steve Bartman, Brant Brown, etc. The Cubs have their "cute" mascot/cubbie bear hat and unis...opposite of the Sox black and white silver image that KW patterned after or at least likened to the Raiders. Harry Caray, WGN, Budweisers, "bleacher babes," the Curse of the Billy Goat...and Billy Williams Santo Jenkins Banks...identifiable HoF players. For the Sox..Luis Robert will leave town as the most famous, more star crossed than a star. And the 1919 Black Sox scandal...as well as the four way 1967 pennant race, but still not nearly the fame or infamy of the 1962 expansion Mets or 69 Cubs. The White Flag and cancelling the 1994 season doesn't quite rise to the Cubs and Red Sox historic standards anyway. It would require at least five consecutive years of 100+ losses...but we're already 60% of the way there. And JR still has his Bulls' championships and 2005 to cling to. Without 2005...the White Sox legitimately could have replaced the Cubs. But all things considered...the trade off for Sox fans probably wouldn't be worth it because they wouldn't even be able to figure out how to exploit losing, specifically, losing to historic proportions. Or the 2025 Rockies will quickly turn around and break the Sox 41-121 mark. The Sox will never become lovable losers because only a few of us love them along with an unlovable ballpark in an unlovable part of town. A new ball park somewhere in the Chicago Metro area but not at 35th and Shields would help along with new ownership. Edited May 8 by The Mighty Mite 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 hours ago, caulfield12 said: https://thesportsdaily.com/news/chicago-white-sox-are-the-new-lovable-losers/ This article was written in the middle of the last rebuild...2017. Nats Astros Rangers all won the WS since then. White Sox have much less of a history of chokes...compared to Cubs in 1969, 2003/Steve Bartman, Brant Brown, etc. The Cubs have their "cute" mascot/cubbie bear hat and unis...opposite of the Sox black and white silver image that KW patterned after or at least likened to the Raiders. Harry Caray, WGN, Budweisers, "bleacher babes," the Curse of the Billy Goat...and Billy Williams Santo Jenkins Banks...identifiable HoF players. For the Sox..Luis Robert will leave town as the most famous, more star crossed than a star. And the 1919 Black Sox scandal...as well as the four way 1967 pennant race, but still not nearly the fame or infamy of the 1962 expansion Mets or 69 Cubs. The White Flag and cancelling the 1994 season doesn't quite rise to the Cubs and Red Sox historic standards anyway. It would require at least five consecutive years of 100+ losses...but we're already 60% of the way there. And JR still has his Bulls' championships and 2005 to cling to. Without 2005...the White Sox legitimately could have replaced the Cubs. But all things considered...the trade off for Sox fans probably wouldn't be worth it because they wouldn't even be able to figure out how to exploit losing, specifically, losing to historic proportions. Or the 2025 Rockies will quickly turn around and break the Sox 41-121 mark. The Sox won’t even get to retain the worst team label that could somehow be embraced. The Rockies are going to smash their record this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 No, would actually need the attendance to not be terrible to call them lovable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Sox fans don't find losing lovable especially during a so-called rebuild. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 No. Good gracious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, The Mighty Mite said: The Sox will never become lovable losers because only a few of us love them along with an unlovable ballpark in an unlovable part of town. A new ball park somewhere in the Chicago Metro area but not at 35th and Shields would help along with new ownership. You've mentioned in the past that you didn't think a new stadium in the South Loop wouldn't be that good of a thing. Just curious, if they do get a new stadium, where do you think it should be built? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 I love this team, but I also hate this team, so I feel like that branding would be a tall order for the general public. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Why would anyone want that. For real 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 56 minutes ago, WBWSF said: You've mentioned in the past that you didn't think a new stadium in the South Loop wouldn't be that good of a thing. Just curious, if they do get a new stadium, where do you think it should be built? Somewhere near Oakbrook would be my first choice, that is just about smack dab in the middle of the Metro area, I always thought that the Addison location was good but that’s dead. I don’t have anything against the South Loop but the 78 isn’t a great spot, Roosevelt road is raised at the 78 so that’s a problem. Not a lot of good traffic patterns to the south and not that much room for parking. Fans I believe would have to rely on public transportation getting there, of course that hasn’t hurt the Cubs except Wrigley is in a neighborhood where thousands and thousands of fans can walk to Cub games. The area around the United Center is a possibility, JR has bought tons of land around there, why? The Hawks and Bulls going back to the good old days of Chicago Stadium never had problems with attendance there and it was horrible neighborhood at one time. Edited May 8 by The Mighty Mite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANS Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Why do you post this crap? 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 (edited) 27 minutes ago, MEANS said: Why do you post this crap? Why does the organization continue to put out this totally crap product? To what end? This is going beyond just being MLB "average" 90-108 losses bad. This is horrific team after horrific team by almost any historical standard. And because scoring an average of 2.48 runs per game for 30/37 games and winning just 2 out of 28 games that we'very scored four runs or less just shouldn't be acceptable. Im not going to normalize or rationalize what Getz and JR are doing. It's crazy to any lifelong Sox fan. Even JR never said you could be profitable/successful with constant last place teams...he said second through fourth place. Edited May 8 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Why does the organization continue to put out this totally crap product? To what end? This is going beyond just being MLB "average" 90-108 losses bad. This is horrific team after horrific team by almost any historical standard. And because scoring an average of 2.48 runs per game for 30/37 games and winning just 2 out of 28 games that we'very scored four runs or less just shouldn't be acceptable. Im not going to normalize or rationalize what Getz and JR are doing. It's crazy to any lifelong Sox fan. Even JR never said you could be profitable/successful with constant last place teams...he said second through fourth place. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Mighty Mite said: Somewhere near Oakbrook would be my first choice, that is just about smack dab in the middle of the Metro area, I always thought that the Addison location was good but that’s dead. I don’t have anything against the South Loop but the 78 isn’t a great spot, Roosevelt road is raised at the 78 so that’s a problem. Not a lot of good traffic patterns to the south and not that much room for parking. Fans I believe would have to rely on public transportation getting there, of course that hasn’t hurt the Cubs except Wrigley is in a neighborhood where thousands and thousands of fans can walk to Cub games. The area around the United Center is a possibility, JR has bought tons of land around there, why? The Hawks and Bulls going back to the good old days of Chicago Stadium never had problems with attendance there and it was horrible neighborhood at one time. The 1901 Project that is being initiated by Reinsdorf and the Wirtz family: https://news.wttw.com/2024/07/23/united-center-owners-unveil-7b-proposal-redevelop-area-surrounding-arena-mixed-use-space A music hall, residential units, retail space. Jerry Reinsdorf did NOT buy the land to move the Sox there. As far as a suburban location, I know there's a difference of opinion among Sox fans, but IMO a suburban site would be a terrible idea. Most MLB teams have found moving to the downtown area to be successful without surrounding themselves with a ton of surface parking lots. Only big sprawl metro areas like Atlanta and the DFW metroplex go against that. Even the Mets and Phillies have plans to redevelop the parking lots surrounding their ballparks. Somewhere near Oakbrook would be central to the Chicagoland area, but where's the land for such a massive development? Edited May 8 by 77 Hitmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 27 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: The 1901 Project that is being initiated by Reinsdorf and the Wirtz family: https://news.wttw.com/2024/07/23/united-center-owners-unveil-7b-proposal-redevelop-area-surrounding-arena-mixed-use-space A music hall, residential units, retail space. Jerry Reinsdorf did NOT buy the land to move the Sox there. As far as a suburban location, I know there's a difference of opinion among Sox fans, but IMO a suburban site would be a terrible idea. Most MLB teams have found moving to the downtown area to be successful without surrounding themselves with a ton of surface parking lots. Only big sprawl metro areas like Atlanta and the DFW metroplex go against that. Even the Mets and Phillies have plans to redevelop the parking lots surrounding their ballparks. Somewhere near Oakbrook would be central to the Chicagoland area, but where's the land for such a massive development? There are bunches of golf courses in the area, maybe they could give a course owner an offer he couldn’t refuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 WTF is this nonsense? Someone needs their thread-starting privileges revoked... 2 4 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 27 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: WTF is this nonsense? Someone needs their thread-starting privileges revoked... Fine, I’m going to pull a Balta. No posting until Elko is up. This kind of torture for fans is beyond the pale anyway. The funny thing is this original article writer was talking about finally turning his back on the Cubs at the beginning of the first rebuild…the year after the Cubs won it all. Eight years later and the Sox are much worse off than back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DoUEvenShift Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 27 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Fine, I’m going to pull a Balta. No posting until Elko is up. I'm gonna set the over/under at 24 hours. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 New Pope is from Dolton. Maybe he can exorcise the demons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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