5/8/25 White Sox @ Royals 1:10 PM CST

[wegner]

Post game radio host really calling out the Sox for not calling up Elko...he said he will ask Getz about it.

[Lip Man 1]

Not much to say.

We'll see how bad the Marlins beat them up over the weekend.

Garbage starts at the top and goes through the entire organization. 

[WestEddy]

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Normally I would agree, except he just made a post about how Getz’s Bummer trade was good because three of the bums he got back in the trade (Soroka, Lopez, and Shewmake) are now on other rosters…  even though they are still bums.

The Bummer trade wasn't a bad trade. Bummer sucked in 23. Soroka wound up being a good bullpen piece. Gowens is still a prospect (if he did well in his 5 starts, you'd consider that too small a sample size - LOL). Shuster doesn't seem to be working out. He went for quantity over quality. 

You keep making wild arguments about how guys suck and shouldn't be playing baseball because they passed through waivers. Weird how you won't take ownership of any of the BS you spout. 

[almagest]

15 minutes ago, fathom said:

 There’s no doubt in my mind WestEddy is smart when it comes to baseball and the Sox, but him and other Getz supporters have to know they’re really having to reach with some of their supporting arguments.

Bummer had a 6.79 ERA the year before he was traded. They were never getting anything good for him. A potentially smarter move would've been to hang onto him for another year and see if he'd return to form and match his FIP, but that's not the argument I see being made. It's just bitching about getting relatively fair value for a guy who put a ton of people on base and had only one real standout year as a reliever.

He's been good since leaving the Sox, but still has the same issues we saw here. a 3.5-3.6 ERA reliever is a decent piece but not someone you expect much in return for in a trade.

[WhiteSox2023]

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

The Bummer trade wasn't a bad trade. Bummer sucked in 23. Soroka wound up being a good bullpen piece. Gowens is still a prospect (if he did well in his 5 starts, you'd consider that too small a sample size - LOL). Shuster doesn't seem to be working out. He went for quantity over quality. 

You keep making wild arguments about how guys suck and shouldn't be playing baseball because they passed through waivers. Weird how you won't take ownership of any of the BS you spout. 

Wild arguments?  Guys that pass through waivers are typically AAAA guys.  I think that would include Lopez and Shewmake.  Typically defensive replacements that can’t hit.  God knows, Getz’s current roster has plenty of them, and a few starting for the team.

[Highland]

They spent another off season not addressing team needs. There's not much that can be done now. They can't even fire the manager since they just hired him. Greg is right. It's hard to get swept in a four-game series. Win one and you have a .250 percentage. The White Sox can't do that? But, Greg, no more Ozzie. Ozzie can yell all he wants, and that won't change anything.

I've said it before: I don't know how JR can have his name associated with this. Yet, he doesn't seem bothered all the losing. Time for this so-called rebuild to stop, time to spend. But that won't happen. So, we are stuck with this.

 

[T R U]

17 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Just to be on the record about this, I didn't want Vaughn to make the club. The bullpen is what it is. 

If I were GM, I would promote Elko and Fletcher, cutting Maton and Palacios. When Workman comes off the IL, cut Amaya, and trade Thaiss when Lee comes back. Adisyn Coffey and drop Shuster. 

I think a lot of people mistake me understanding the reasoning behind a move or non-move as support. I want Vaughn, Palacios, Maton and Amaya as gone as everyone else. I'm not going to make up wild conspiracy theories about why they're being kept on the team. 

I still can't believe they chose to pay him 5.8M, I would love to know the thought process behind that.

All those mock moves sound great, and HOPEFULLY we see some close to that in the coming month or so. This team sucks, but they aren't going to break the loss record again. They are slowly starting to integrate the younger guys who aren't totally worthless and I think that will be enough to win around 47-49 games. 

[Lip Man 1]

11 minutes ago, Highland said:

They spent another off season not addressing team needs. There's not much that can be done now. They can't even fire the manager since they just hired him. Greg is right. It's hard to get swept in a four-game series. Win one and you have a .250 percentage. The White Sox can't do that? But, Greg, no more Ozzie. Ozzie can yell all he wants, and that won't change anything.

I've said it before: I don't know how JR can have his name associated with this. Yet, he doesn't seem bothered all the losing. Time for this so-called rebuild to stop, time to spend. But that won't happen. So, we are stuck with this.

 

Until Father Time steps in, you are correct.

[WestEddy]

21 minutes ago, T R U said:

I still can't believe they chose to pay him 5.8M, I would love to know the thought process behind that.

All those mock moves sound great, and HOPEFULLY we see some close to that in the coming month or so. This team sucks, but they aren't going to break the loss record again. They are slowly starting to integrate the younger guys who aren't totally worthless and I think that will be enough to win around 47-49 games. 

I think it's tough to cut bait on a 1:3 draft pick. Dude has a ton of untapped talent. I don't think the Sox will get to it, nor any other MLB team. 

[PaleAleSox]

Well. We had fun last week for a couple days at least. 

[southsider2k5]

16 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I think it's tough to cut bait on a 1:3 draft pick. Dude has a ton of untapped talent. I don't think the Sox will get to it, nor any other MLB team. 

They did it with Nick Madrigal super quick.

[tray]

 It is maddening that almost nothing is being done so far to change course.

[almagest]

23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

They did it with Nick Madrigal super quick.

I don’t even think they could get the equivalent of Kimbrel for Vaughn. 

[southsider2k5]

11 minutes ago, almagest said:

I don’t even think they could get the equivalent of Kimbrel for Vaughn. 

Nick was traded in his 2nd season with the team.  To be fair, if Rick had waited until his 5th season of mediocrity to bad, they wouldn't have gotten anything from him either.

[Lip Man 1]

The Sox were 1-for-9 with runners in scoring position. In the fifth, the Sox had runners on first and third after a leadoff double by Andrew Vaughn and Joshua Palacios single with no outs. Lenyn Sosa reached base on a fielder’s choice after Vaughn tried to score from third on Sosa’s soft tapper. Brooks Baldwin hit into a double play to end the inning.

“In that situation if it’s not a double play ball then you don’t have to go,” Venable said. “It’s something that we’ll talk about and walk through. It’s kind of one of those in between plays where you know they’re back, so you think that they’re not going to come get you but you don’t have to go. It’s not a double-play ball.”

[almagest]

7 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

The Sox were 1-for-9 with runners in scoring position. In the fifth, the Sox had runners on first and third after a leadoff double by Andrew Vaughn and Joshua Palacios single with no outs. Lenyn Sosa reached base on a fielder’s choice after Vaughn tried to score from third on Sosa’s soft tapper. Brooks Baldwin hit into a double play to end the inning.

“In that situation if it’s not a double play ball then you don’t have to go,” Venable said. “It’s something that we’ll talk about and walk through. It’s kind of one of those in between plays where you know they’re back, so you think that they’re not going to come get you but you don’t have to go. It’s not a double-play ball.”

So the contact play WASN’T on. “Wheels” Vaughn just thought he could beat that out.

[southsider2k5]

18 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

The Sox were 1-for-9 with runners in scoring position. In the fifth, the Sox had runners on first and third after a leadoff double by Andrew Vaughn and Joshua Palacios single with no outs. Lenyn Sosa reached base on a fielder’s choice after Vaughn tried to score from third on Sosa’s soft tapper. Brooks Baldwin hit into a double play to end the inning.

“In that situation if it’s not a double play ball then you don’t have to go,” Venable said. “It’s something that we’ll talk about and walk through. It’s kind of one of those in between plays where you know they’re back, so you think that they’re not going to come get you but you don’t have to go. It’s not a double-play ball.”

Still waiting for us to not be the dumbest team in baseball. 

[Lip Man 1]

I was exchanging e-mails this afternoon with a high ranking member of the front office and we were talking about the Pope, I typed something along the lines of that maybe the Sox can get some help from a higher authority.

The response surprised me a little given this person's position.

They said the franchise needs the help," we've just had a guy thrown out at home when he shouldn't even have been running."

 

 

 

[The Mighty Mite]

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

The Sox were 1-for-9 with runners in scoring position. In the fifth, the Sox had runners on first and third after a leadoff double by Andrew Vaughn and Joshua Palacios single with no outs. Lenyn Sosa reached base on a fielder’s choice after Vaughn tried to score from third on Sosa’s soft tapper. Brooks Baldwin hit into a double play to end the inning.

“In that situation if it’s not a double play ball then you don’t have to go,” Venable said. “It’s something that we’ll talk about and walk through. It’s kind of one of those in between plays where you know they’re back, so you think that they’re not going to come get you but you don’t have to go. It’s not a double-play ball.”

If the contact play wasn’t on then AV I’m starting to believe is just a dumb player, why on earth would he be running on that grounder?    
For that reason they should bring Elko up and send Vaughn down to Charlotte if possible. 

 

Maybe he’s also lazy like mentioned the other day, has anyone seen him trying something different, he’s regressed every year.

[JoshPR]

3 hours ago, TheBooneLoganEra said:

Most teams employ actual major league baseball players.

True dat

[JoshPR]

10 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said:

If the contact play wasn’t on then AV I’m starting to believe is just a dumb player, why on earth would he be running on that grounder?    
For that reason they should bring Elko up and send Vaughn down to Charlotte if possible. 

 

Maybe he’s also lazy like mentioned the other day, has anyone seen him trying something different, he’s regressed every year.

So if that is true Vaughn needs to land at Charlotte Douglas instead of Midway...

[Lip Man 1]

The Sox were swept in the four-game series. And in the process, they fell to 10-28 to match the worst start in franchise history through 38 games. They share the distinction with the 2024 and 2018 clubs. 

[WhiteSox2023]

6 hours ago, WestEddy said:

I think it's tough to cut bait on a 1:3 draft pick. Dude has a ton of untapped talent. I don't think the Sox will get to it, nor any other MLB team. 

I don’t see how it is tough to cut bait on him at this point.  Vaughn is now on his fifth straight year of mediocrity.  Tyler Osik’s tweets about Vaughn being lazy are more than likely true.  His makeup is obviously weak if he had all the talent in the world and doesn’t care to work extra in the offseason trying to improve his game.

There is only one more arbitration year of control over Vaughn at a salary of over $6 million.  I don’t see the point in giving him any more chances.  He’s officially a bust.  He was a position player drafted by the Sox so this should be no surprise.  He also isn’t returning anything in a trade.  Getz needs to accept it and give someone else his at bats.

Edited May 9 by WhiteSox2023

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

The Sox were swept in the four-game series. And in the process, they fell to 10-28 to match the worst start in franchise history through 38 games. They share the distinction with the 2024 and 2018 clubs. 

Wow, haha.  Same record as last year after 38 games.  I didn’t realize that.

https://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/schedule.php?y=2024&t=CHA

How in the hell does Getz keep his job?

[WhiteSox2023]

6 hours ago, almagest said:

I don’t even think they could get the equivalent of Kimbrel for Vaughn. 

Not even close.  Madrigal had much more value when he was traded than Vaughn currently has.  What team is going to trade anything for a poor defensive 1B that is questionable to put up an OPS above .700 for the season?  He’s at -1.0 fWAR.  I don’t think you could even give him away right now due to his salary.