kitekrazy Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 19 minutes ago, WestEddy said: He looks like the same guy TB traded to the Brewers for a William Bergolla-looking shortstop in 2024. Fix him, and maybe he brings back a top 100 prospect (Kyle Manzardo) like he did in 2023. That formula would work if you are an organization that seems to have a quality farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 25 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: That formula would work if you are an organization that seems to have a quality farm. Not having a quality farm precludes a team from acquiring good prospects from other teams? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 19 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Not having a quality farm precludes a team from acquiring good prospects from other teams? I think he means if you’re a team giving up a T100 for an Aaron Civale (if he pitches good enough), you probably have a deep farm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I think he means if you’re a team giving up a T100 for an Aaron Civale (if he pitches good enough), you probably have a deep farm. Or has a history of being productive at player development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champagne030 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: He looks like the same guy TB traded to the Brewers for a William Bergolla-looking shortstop in 2024. Fix him, and maybe he brings back a top 100 prospect (Kyle Manzardo) like he did in 2023. Pass the bong this way. NOBODY is giving up a top 100 prospect for Civale. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, champagne030 said: Pass the bong this way. NOBODY is giving up a top 100 prospect for Civale. Tampa Bay did just 2 years ago, so maybe they can FedEx that bong to you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: Not having a quality farm precludes a team from acquiring good prospects from other teams? We don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Rankings are extremely overrated. We shoulda figured that out by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) 49 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Tampa Bay did just 2 years ago, so maybe they can FedEx that bong to you. So you are comparing the current version of Civale to back when the Indians traded him to the Rays and he was 28 years old, had great numbers as a starter in the first half of 2023 (2.7 bWAR, 2.34 ERA), earning just $2.6 million that season, with another two years of team control? Uhhh no. Your comparison isn’t even close. I think you are bogarting the bong too much to even share it with @champagne030. Edited June 14 by WhiteSox2023 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: So you are comparing the current version of Civale to back when the Indians traded him to the Rays and he was 28 years old, had great numbers as a starter in the first half of 2023, earning just $2.6 million that season, with another two years of team control? Uhhh no. Your comparison isn’t even close. I wasn't thinking about the 2 years of control. but if they get him pumping like Houser, perhaps they can amass a group of lotto tickets to see if any of them emerge as a prospect. Sure as s%*# Vaughn wasn't going to bring back anything of note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I wasn't thinking about the 2 years of control. but if they get him pumping like Houser, perhaps they can amass a group of lotto tickets to see if any of them emerge as a prospect. Sure as s%*# Vaughn wasn't going to bring back anything of note. Agreed, but it would be lottery tickets, not a prospect like Manzardo, and the Sox would probably have to eat some of Civale’s $8 million contract moving him to another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) 21 hours ago, greg775 said: Best wishes to Vaughn who obviously got ruined by our coaching. He had no chance in Chicago for whatever reason. Hope he finds lift and pull heaven with the Brewers. Why all the negativity toward Elko. Earlier in the year the fanboard was clamoring for him to come up to the bigs. He's only a 10th round pick but I thought he was the next Dave Kingman. Let's support Elko folks and not hate everybody. Once the avalanche starts you can't stop it. Fans don't develop hitters, they say they stink . There's always pushback when fans pick out a likable young man to root for against the odds of his pedigree . It's much easier to be right saying someone sucks than to be kind and have a little patience. Edited June 14 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Best case he gets hot and you maybe get a reliever type of prospect for him. In meantime at least he is here to kind of protect the rest of the arms. Vaughn was gone no matter what at end of the year anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 To me Andrew Vaughn represents everything about that was wrong about the previous iteration of the White Sox. He was a 1B/DH taken with a top 3 pick (ahead of Riley Greene, CJ Abrams, and Corbin Carroll), bad strike zone judgement, lack of power, and no defensive value whatsoever. I read the reports about him not being a good teammate or a hard worker, maybe Lance Lynn rubbed off on him. Truly one of the worst players I’ve ever seen. I’m glad the Sox were able to get something of value for him, but I was a proponent of them non tendering him in the offseason and moving on but I’ll give the front office their flowers on the trade they made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Bad enuff they let the Pope steal Bill Melton's number then they trade our best player ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 15 hours ago, Boopa1219 said: To me Andrew Vaughn represents everything about that was wrong about the previous iteration of the White Sox. He was a 1B/DH taken with a top 3 pick (ahead of Riley Greene, CJ Abrams, and Corbin Carroll), bad strike zone judgement, lack of power, and no defensive value whatsoever. I read the reports about him not being a good teammate or a hard worker, maybe Lance Lynn rubbed off on him. Truly one of the worst players I’ve ever seen. I’m glad the Sox were able to get something of value for him, but I was a proponent of them non tendering him in the offseason and moving on but I’ll give the front office their flowers on the trade they made. I think it is better labeled as existing. Waiting for them to draft a position player instead of future pitching trade pieces. We are easily impressed with the prospects not raised by the Sox. I'd love for them to draft one that becomes a superstar but that will be a curse if JR are still around because that will be a trade piece. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Should have called the Red Sox and flipped him for Devers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 9 hours ago, Jake said: Should have called the Red Sox and flipped him for Devers. I'd take Vaughn and cash considerations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) On 6/14/2025 at 4:19 PM, Chisoxfn said: Best case he gets hot and you maybe get a reliever type of prospect for him. In meantime at least he is here to kind of protect the rest of the arms. Vaughn was gone no matter what at end of the year anyway. If they can get more Jeral Perez/Alexander Albertus type players that would be ideal. Teenage prospects, who ideally play up the middle, are the currency of the game right now Edited June 16 by Boopa1219 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/mlb-rumors-brewers-star-danger-213128188.html “If the Brewers become convinced that newly acquired Andrew Vaughn could return to being an everyday first baseman, veteran Rhys Hoskins could be a valuable chip at the trade deadline,” Nightengale wrote. Hoskins has been involved in trade rumors over the past few weeks, and would seem to be a huge trade candidate since he has a $18 million mutual option for 2026. There’s a good chance that the team will turn down the option because of how much it is." Edited June 16 by caulfield12 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 4 hours ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/mlb-rumors-brewers-star-danger-213128188.html “If the Brewers become convinced that newly acquired Andrew Vaughn could return to being an everyday first baseman, veteran Rhys Hoskins could be a valuable chip at the trade deadline,” Nightengale wrote. Hoskins has been involved in trade rumors over the past few weeks, and would seem to be a huge trade candidate since he has a $18 million mutual option for 2026. There’s a good chance that the team will turn down the option because of how much it is." I love breaking rumors that are essentially team propaganda. Look, maybe Vaughn can turn it around, but returning to being a starting 1B in a month? That's a bit rich for my blood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Return to being an everyday 1B? There are maybe two months out his entire career he performed like an average regular at 1B. The rest of the time he was replacement level or below. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: Return to being an everyday 1B? There are maybe two months out his entire career he performed like an average regular at 1B. The rest of the time he was replacement level or below. Civale already gave the Sox more than Vaughn has this year. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 14 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Civale already gave the Sox more than Vaughn has this year. You're not wrong. Civale is .1 WAR and Andrew Vaughn was -1.6. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 hours ago, PaleAleSox said: Civale already gave the Sox more than Vaughn has this year. If only we were as good as everything as finding trash heap starters. It's like the ghost of those teams in the early aughts that were always one pitcher or two away traded places with this no offense no stars group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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